Is this Chromium devtools z-index popup giving wrong/outdated advice? - css

I have a grid setup where I have several div elements that overlap each other. As I want to control which order they overlap in, I set the CSS z-index on some of them. When I then examine these elements in Chromium dev tools, I get the following:
Is this advice not incorrect, probably because it was written before CSS grid was finalized? When an element in a grid is static, it seems like z-index most certainly does have the effect of controlling rendering order in the grid.

Assuming the element is a grid item (it's not clear from your image that that's the case), then yes, that advice is incorrect. The specification for z-axis ordering of grid items says:
... painting order of grid items is exactly the same as inline blocks [CSS2], except that order-modified document order is used in place of raw document order, and z-index values other than auto create a stacking context even if position is static (behaving exactly as if position were relative). Thus the z-index property can easily be used to control the z-axis order of grid items.
Why it is incorrect can only be speculated at. I wouldn't like to say whether the advice is out-of-date or just mistaken.
Flex items are treated similarly, although Chrome does not offer the same incorrect advice for them.

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This property make me confuse.
well.. i searched in google:
What is the z-index?
The z-index property specifies the stack order of an element.
An element with greater stack order is always in front of an element with a lower stack order.
Note: z-index only works on positioned elements (position:absolute, position:relative, or position:fixed). Answer Source
What is the z-index uses?
The order of which the elements overlap one another.
For that purpose, you can assign each element a number (z-index). The system is that an element with a higher number overlaps an element with a lower number. Answer Source
Ok i understand now , it organize the elements and we can use any number ... the higher z-index number appears on all elements..ok nice.
z-index and jquery..very simple and very nice
...but i noticed from the answers that it depend on position property, so -->...(google)..
What is the relation between z-index and position?
demo--> >>source
Ok ... so z-index and position are couple..must be together..
need more information ::
dose it make any conflicts in browsers(IE7,IE8,chrome,...etc)?
What are the z-index uses or what can we do with z-index(depending on the Tags)?
...etc?
correct me if i understand wrong...
Thanks in advance.
Z-index is the property that determines which html element appears on top of another html element when they overlap. The basic idea is that the element with the highest z-index is "on top".
By default, elements have a z-index of zero, but setting the css property on one element to 1, and another to 5 will make the latter element be "on top" of the former, if they overlap.
So far, so simple, but there are several things to look out for.
One, as already mentioned in another answer, is that z-index only has an effect if the element is positioned with position absolute, fixed or relative. (i.e. the css property "position"). An unpositioned element has a z-index of zero.
To complicate things further (and in my experience the area that is often not understood) is the concept of the stacking context. More info can be found in articles such as this. In short though, each time you explicitly set a new z-index, you start a new stacking context. All child elements of the one on which the z-index was set are now in this new stacking context, which may be above or below a stacking context on another unrelated element.
What does this stacking context mean? It means that an element with a z-index of 100 is not necessarily on top of an element with z-index of 1. If they are in different stacking contexts, only the z-indexes of the stacking contexts themselves matters.
I would suggest to have a look at this property on SmashingMagzine.
The Z-Index CSS Property: A Comprehensive Look
It covers all nuts and bolts of this property with great examples and demonstrations.
the most important thing to remember is that z-index works ONLY if the element has position relative, absolute or fixed
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking but for the most-part you only ever need to use z-index if you're doing complicated styling e.g. hover tooltips or dropdown navigations, simply to ensure that they display over other page content.
For basic designing you should generally be avoiding using the position and z-index properties as you can usually achieve the same effects with better performance and browser compatibility with just floats etc.
The Smashing Magazine link posted by Sarfraz is an excellent article on the topic and a good point of reference if you're still struggling to understand the functionality of the property.

css background with gradient to allow text overlay [duplicate]

This property make me confuse.
well.. i searched in google:
What is the z-index?
The z-index property specifies the stack order of an element.
An element with greater stack order is always in front of an element with a lower stack order.
Note: z-index only works on positioned elements (position:absolute, position:relative, or position:fixed). Answer Source
What is the z-index uses?
The order of which the elements overlap one another.
For that purpose, you can assign each element a number (z-index). The system is that an element with a higher number overlaps an element with a lower number. Answer Source
Ok i understand now , it organize the elements and we can use any number ... the higher z-index number appears on all elements..ok nice.
z-index and jquery..very simple and very nice
...but i noticed from the answers that it depend on position property, so -->...(google)..
What is the relation between z-index and position?
demo--> >>source
Ok ... so z-index and position are couple..must be together..
need more information ::
dose it make any conflicts in browsers(IE7,IE8,chrome,...etc)?
What are the z-index uses or what can we do with z-index(depending on the Tags)?
...etc?
correct me if i understand wrong...
Thanks in advance.
Z-index is the property that determines which html element appears on top of another html element when they overlap. The basic idea is that the element with the highest z-index is "on top".
By default, elements have a z-index of zero, but setting the css property on one element to 1, and another to 5 will make the latter element be "on top" of the former, if they overlap.
So far, so simple, but there are several things to look out for.
One, as already mentioned in another answer, is that z-index only has an effect if the element is positioned with position absolute, fixed or relative. (i.e. the css property "position"). An unpositioned element has a z-index of zero.
To complicate things further (and in my experience the area that is often not understood) is the concept of the stacking context. More info can be found in articles such as this. In short though, each time you explicitly set a new z-index, you start a new stacking context. All child elements of the one on which the z-index was set are now in this new stacking context, which may be above or below a stacking context on another unrelated element.
What does this stacking context mean? It means that an element with a z-index of 100 is not necessarily on top of an element with z-index of 1. If they are in different stacking contexts, only the z-indexes of the stacking contexts themselves matters.
I would suggest to have a look at this property on SmashingMagzine.
The Z-Index CSS Property: A Comprehensive Look
It covers all nuts and bolts of this property with great examples and demonstrations.
the most important thing to remember is that z-index works ONLY if the element has position relative, absolute or fixed
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking but for the most-part you only ever need to use z-index if you're doing complicated styling e.g. hover tooltips or dropdown navigations, simply to ensure that they display over other page content.
For basic designing you should generally be avoiding using the position and z-index properties as you can usually achieve the same effects with better performance and browser compatibility with just floats etc.
The Smashing Magazine link posted by Sarfraz is an excellent article on the topic and a good point of reference if you're still struggling to understand the functionality of the property.

Why is z-index not independent of stacking context?

An element that has a high z-index may below another element that has a low z-index, only because the ancestors' z-index of the lower one provides a higher stacking context for this element.
Because of this, it's impossible to overlay an element from a lower stacking context without a major change in the CSS or HTML code. On the other hand, using the z-index property would be simples if it would be an "absolute" value (higher z-index -> higher position on the z axis).
My question is, why was this implemented this way in the browsers and the standards?
I think cwolves has the proper answer, and the way it is now it's probably the most logic.
To help understanding you can think of z-index like Photoshop layers.
If you have a folder of layers above another folder, the wrapped layers can't obviously be arranged outside their parents, unless you move them from a folder to another.
Or think of boxes: you can arrange things inside a box, but you can't arrange things from two different boxes, unless you move them from a box to another.
If you're running into the case where you need a different arrangement, you probably need to re-think your markup to allow this.

possible to set z-index rules which only affect child elements of a certain div?

Is it possible to set z-index that only applies to a certain 'scope', such as only affecting children of a certain element.
I've got an containerDiv with z-index 0. It contains a bunch of circles which should be placed on top of eachother in various depths, but I don't want them to affect any other elements on the page.
I've got a bunch of other elements on the page (popups, dropdowns etc) which have z-index 1, and I would like them to be placed on top of the containerDiv and all of it's childelements.
Since I'm lazy I'd preferably want to avoid having to adjust these element's z-index values based on the circle with the highest z-index...
Much be awesome if there was some way that all other elements could view the containerDiv and all it's children as having the same z-index.
Is this possible to achieve with css?
The answer depends on whether or not your other elements are descendants of the containerDiv or not. To answer the question: Yes, it's almost certainly possible, given a bit of shuffling of the markup.
But what you need to understand is the concept of stacking context:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#layers
Stacking context is not inherited the way other properties are: "A stacking context is atomic from the point of view of its parent stacking context; boxes in other stacking contexts may not come between any of its boxes." It's not like every element on the page with z-index:2 will be behind everything on the page with z-index:4. Z-index (combined with a position declaration) is typically (though not exclusively) used to resolve the stacking order when two elements share a containing element.

Is z-index the only way to force an element to be positioned over top of another, if not what other methods are there?

I'm working on an application with a map and there is a div in the corner with some stuff in it. You can click on this map to bring up some information in a little window. The window is, in some cases, being covered by the div in the corner.
I want the opposite effect (window covers div). I figured this would simply be a z-index issue but I'm unable to get it to work. This is with IE7 and from reading up a bit it seems like z-index won't work unless it's inside of an element that is positioned.
The elements seem to be positioned properly to get the z-index to work right but I'm having little luck. I've played around with adding styling via Firebug but haven't had any luck in getting anything to change. The window really is just two divs one absolutely positioned one and a relative one inside of it.
Is the z-index the only thing that could be the problem here or is there something else I don't know about?
Are there any other methods to achieve the effect I want? I cannot simply hide the div via jquery or something because part of it should be visible from behind the window that opens on the map.
You are hitting the stacking context bug
http://therealcrisp.xs4all.nl/meuk/IE-zindexbug.html
Every positioned div in IE will create a new stacking context and prevent z-index from diferent stacking contexts to come on top of others.
The solution is to have the window you want on top up in the tree (into the body for example) and z-index value grater than z-index of all parents of the other div covering your window.
Extensive information to understand the problem here:
http://richa.avasthi.name/blogs/tepumpkin/2008/01/11/ie7-lessons-learned/
positioning and negative margins is the only way to get elements to overlap that i know of. z-index is just used to explicitly tell the browser how to layer the elements.
as to your problem, IE requires the container elements and/or elements that you are overlapping to have position:relative; or position:absolute; for z-index to work properly. When someone say positioning they're usually implying having the position property set in CSS. Also when working with z-index make sure that the overlapping elementa are at the same level with each other.
Hope this helps
Quite simply, the order of the elements in your HTML file will determine stacking order. If you want an element to be above another then make sure it comes later in the HTML.
You can only swap the stacking order on elements that are all in the same containing element. For example if you have two divs and they both contain 3 images you cannot make images from the second div go below images from the first div.
You need to plan your HTML ahead if you need complex stacking orders.
As hinted by the other answers, position:relative and position:absolute reset the "stacking-context" in IE.
If you want a lazier answer you could use javascript and hide the div when you click on the map, and show it when you close the map.
You will have to do this with any selects on the page anyway because in ie they don't work with z-index.
I ran into this same issue a couple days ago and found the negative margin as suggested by Darko Z worked great. (My rep isn't good enough yet to vote for Darko)
I wrote a quick post on it.
http://www.swards.net/2009/03/layering-html-elements-without-using.html

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