I am new to ELM and I am trying to wrap my head around asynchronous computations.
I am trying to write an ELM program to automate radiology report generation.
This program uses a graph data structure to store the state of a hierarchical tree of toggles, radio, and edit boxes that the user can edit (add, delete, move around) the toggles.
Individual toggles can also have their behavior modified so that toggling one ON, will show or hide other toggles.
As an example, when you toggled Chest ON, the lung would show, and the liver would be hidden. I do this by using the edges of the graph in the update function, which then is interpreted and rendered in the view function.
I then use a look-up table of sorts to compute the English phrase corresponding to a set of specific ON or OFF toggles, like liver, cyst, 3, mm, segment_4.
This works fine, but computing the English phrases is computationally expensive and it blocks my UI thread.
I have been playing with Tasks and Process.swap but I am misunderstanding them somehow.
I thought that I could change my ToggleOnOff message implementation so that I could spawn the long running implementation, return immediately my new state (i.e., (model, Cmd msg) ), and set the spawned processed to call the update again with the English text string when it finished with the computation. I have failed completely in implementing this.
I have a generateReport function which I turned into a Task using Task.succeed.
Than I tried to spawn this generateReportTask and chain it using Task.andThen to the msg UpdateReportFullText. And then I would need to return a new model imediately with the state of the toggles, before the long running generateReportTask runs and calls update on its own to add the english text to the model.
I believe I am still thinking about this imperatively and that I am misunderstanding FP and ELM. My experience with ELM has always shown me that the ELM way is always shorter and clearer than my clumsy imperative-style noob attempts.
Can someone please educate me and help a poor fellow see the light?
Thank you
(Sorry for the dry no code question but my program is hard to reproduce in a few lines...)
Long running computations are a bit tricky on the web platform, especially if you want them not to block the user interface.
In practice you have two options:
Use Web Workers. This is a technology that actually spins up a new process that can run entirely in parallel with your UI process. Unfortunately Web Workers are basically an entirely separate program that communicates with your main program via (mostly) serialised messages. This means that the computation you perform has to be accelerated more than the serialization/deserialization ends up costing.
In Elm, you would use a Platform.worker program, then add ports and wire things together in JavaScript. This article seems to describe this in some detail.
You can chunk up your computation into small bits and perform each small bit per frame. This can work even better in some cases where there are intermediate results that can be rendered, although this isn't necessary. You can see an example I wrote here (notice how it actually takes a few seconds to compute the layout of the graph, but it just looks like a neat little animation).
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In his Qt event loop, networking and I/O API talk, Thiago Macieira mentions that nesting of QEventLoop's should be avoided:
QEventLoop is for nesting event Loops... Avoid it if you can because it creates a number of problems: things might reenter, new activations of sockets or timers that you were not expecting.
Can anybody expand on what he is referring to? I maintain a lot of code that uses modal dialogs which internally nest a new event loop when exec() is called so I'm very interested in knowing what kind of problems this may lead to.
A nested event loop costs you 1-2kb of stack. It takes up 5% of the L1 data cache on typical 32kb L1 cache CPUs, give-or-take.
It has the capacity to reenter any code already on the call stack. There are no guarantees that any of that code was designed to be reentrant. I'm talking about your code, not Qt's code. It can reenter code that has started this event loop, and unless you explicitly control this recursion, there are no guarantees that you won't eventually run out of stack space.
In current Qt, there are two places where, due to a long standing API bugs or platform inadequacies, you have to use nested exec: QDrag and platform file dialogs (on some platforms). You simply don't need to use it anywhere else. You do not need a nested event loop for non-platform modal dialogs.
Reentering the event loop is usually caused by writing pseudo-synchronous code where one laments the supposed lack of yield() (co_yield and co_await has landed in C++ now!), hides one's head in the sand and uses exec() instead. Such code typically ends up being barely palatable spaghetti and is unnecessary.
For modern C++, using the C++20 coroutines is worthwhile; there are some Qt-based experiments around, easy to build on.
There are Qt-native implementations of stackful coroutines: Skycoder42/QtCoroutings - a recent project, and the older ckamm/qt-coroutine. I'm not sure how fresh the latter code is. It looks that it all worked at some point.
Writing asynchronous code cleanly without coroutines is usually accomplished through state machines, see this answer for an example, and QP framework for an implementation different from QStateMachine.
Personal anecdote: I couldn't wait for C++ coroutines to become production-ready, and I now write asynchronous communication code in golang, and statically link that into a Qt application. Works great, the garbage collector is unnoticeable, and the code is way easier to read and write than C++ with coroutines. I had a lot of code written using C++ coroutines TS, but moved it all to golang and I don't regret it.
A nested event loop will lead to ordering inversion. (at least on qt4)
Lets say you have the following sequence of things happening
enqueued in outer loop: 1,2,3
processing 1 => spawn inner loop
enqueue 4 in inner loop
processing 4
exit inner loop
processing 2
So you see the processing order was: 1,4,2,3.
I speak from experience and this usually resulted in a crash in my code.
Let's say we define a function c sum(a, b), functional programming -style, that returns the sum of its arguments. So far so good; all the nice things of FP without any problems.
Now let's say we run this in an environment with dynamic typing and a singleton, stateful error stream. Then let's say we pass a value of a and/or b that sum isn't designed to handle (i.e. not numbers), and it needs to indicate an error somehow.
But how? This function is supposed to be pure and side-effect-less. How does it insert an error into the global error stream without violating that?
No programming language that I know of has anything like a "singleton stateful error stream" built in, so you'd have to make one. And you simply wouldn't make such a thing if you were trying to write your program in a pure functional style.
You could, however, have a sum function that returns either the sum or an indication of an error. The type used to do this is in fact often known by the name Either. Then you could easily make a function that invokes a whole bunch of computations that could possibly return an error, and returns a list of all the errors that were encountered in the other computations. That's pretty close to what you were talking about; it's just explicitly returned rather than being global.
Remember, the question when you're writing a functional program is "how do I make a program that has the behavior I want?" not, "how would I duplicate one particular approach taken in another programming style?". A "global stateful error stream" is a means not an end. You can't have a global stateful error stream in pure function style, no. But ask yourself what you're using the global stateful error stream to achieve; whatever it is, you can achieve that in functional programming, just not with the same mechanism.
Asking whether pure functional programming can implement a particular technique that depends on side effects is like asking how you use techniques from assembly in object-oriented programming. OO provides different tools for you to use to solve problems; limiting yourself to using those tools to emulate a different toolset is not going to be an effective way to work with them.
In response to comments: If what you want to achieve with your error stream is logging error messages to a terminal, then yes, at some level the code is going to have to do IO to do that.1
Printing to terminal is just like any other IO, there's nothing particularly special about it that makes it worthy of singling out as a case where state seems especially unavoidable. So if this turns your question into "How do pure functional programs handle IO?", then there are no doubt many duplicate questions on SO, not to mention many many blog posts and tutorials speaking precisely to that issue. It's not like it's a sudden surprise to implementors and users of pure programming languages, the question has been around for decades, and there have been some quite sophisticated thought put into the answers.
There are different approaches taken in different languages (IO monad in Haskell, unique modes in Mercury, lazy streams of requests and responses in historical versions of Haskell, and more). The basic idea is to come up with a model which can be manipulated by pure code, and hook up manipulations of the model to actual impure operations within the language implementation. This allows you to keep the benefits of purity (the proofs that apply to pure code but not to general impure code will still apply to code using the pure IO model).
The pure model has to be carefully designed so that you can't actually do anything with it that doesn't make sense in terms of actual IO. For example, Mercury does IO by having you write programs as if you're passing around the current state of the universe as an extra parameter. This pure model accurately represents the behaviour of operations that depend on and affect the universe outside the program, but only when there is exactly one state of the universe in the system at any one time, which is threaded through the entire program from start to finish. So some restrictions are put in
The type io is made abstract so that there's no way to construct a value of that type; the only way you can get one is to be passed one from your caller. An io value is passed into the main predicate by the language implementation to kick the whole thing off.
The mode of the io value passed in to main is declared such that it is unique. This means you can't do things that might cause it to be duplicated, such as putting it in a container or passing the same io value to multiple different invocations. The unique mode ensures that you can only ass the io value to a predicate that also uses the unique mode, and as soon as you pass it once the value is "dead" and can't be passed anywhere else.
1 Note that even in imperative programs, you gain a lot of flexibility if you have your error logging system return a stream of error messages and then only actually make the decision to print them close to the outermost layer of the program. If your log calls are directly writing the output immediately, here's just a few things I can think of off the top of my head that become much harder to do with such a system:
Speculatively execute a computation and see whether it failed by checking whether it emitted any errors
Combine multiple high level systems into a single system, adding tags to the logs to distinguish each system
Emit debug and info log messages only if there is also an error message (so the output is clean when there are no errors to debug, and rich in detail when there are)
another quick question, I want to make simple console based game, nothing too fancy, just to have some weekend project to get more familiar with C. Basically I want to make tetris, but I end up with one problem:
How to let the game engine go, and in the same time wait for input? Obviously cin or scanf is useless for me.
You're looking for a library such as ncurses.
Many Rogue-like games are written using ncurses or similar.
There's two ways to do it:
The first is to run two threads; one waits for input and updates state accordingly while the other runs the game.
The other (more common in game development) way is to write the game as one big loop that executes many times a second, updating game state, redrawing the screen, and checking for input.
But instead of blocking when you get key input, you check for the presence of pending keypresses, and if nothing has happened, you just continue through your loop. If you have multiple input sources (keyboard, network, etc.) they all get put there in the loop, checking one after another.
Yes, it's called polling. No, it's not efficient. But high-end games are usually all about pulling the maximum performance and framerates out of the computer, not running cool.
For added efficiency, you can optionally block with a timeout -- saying "wait for a keypress, but no longer than 300 milliseconds" so you can continue on with your loop.
select() comes to mind, but there are other ways of waiting or checking for input as well.
You could work out how to change stdin to non-blocking, which would enable you to write something like tetris, but the game might be more directly expressed in an event-driven paradigm. Maybe it's a good excuse to learn windows programming.
Anyway, if you want to go the console route, if you are using the microsoft compiler, then you should have kbhit() available (via conio.h) which can tell you whether a call to fgetc on stdin would block.
Actually should mention that the MinGW gcc compiler 3.4.5 also supports kbhit().
I'm in the process of trying to 'learn more of' and 'learn lessons from' functional programming and the idea of immutability being good for concurrency, etc.
As a thought exercise I imagined a simple game where Mario-esq type character can run and jump around with enemies that shoot at him...
Then I tried to imagine this being written functionally using immutable objects.
This raised some questions that puzzled me (being an Imperative OO programmer).
1) If my little guy at position x10,y100 moves right 1 unit do I just re-instantiate him using his old values with a +1 to his x position (e.g x11,y100)?
2) (If my first assumption is correct)
If my input thread moves little guy right 1 unit and my enemy AI thread shoots little guy and enemy-ai-thread resolves before input-thread then my guy will loose health, then upon input thread resolving, gain it back and move right ...
Does this mean I can't fire-&-forget my threads even with immutability?
Do I need to send my threads off to do their thing then new()up little guy synchronously when I have the results of both threaded operations? or is there a simple 'functional' solution?
This is a slightly different threading problem than I face on a day to day basis.
Usually I have to decide if I care about what order threads resolve in or not. Where as in the above case I technically don't care if he takes damage or moves first. But I do care if race conditions during instantiation cause one threads data to be totally lost.
3) (Again if my first assumption is correct) Does constantly instantiating new instances of an object (e.g Mario guy) have a horrible overhead that makes it a very serious/important design decision ?
EDIT
Sorry for this additional edit, I wasn't what good practice is on here about follow up questions...
4) If immutability is something I should strive for and even jump though hoops of instantiating new versions of objects that have changed...And If I instantiate my guy every time he moves (only with a different position) don't I have exactly the same problems as I would if he was mutable? in as much that something that referenced him at one point in time is actually looking at old values?.. The more I dig into this the more my head's spinning as generating new versions of the same thing with differing values just seems like mutability, via hack. :¬?
I guess my question is: How should this work? and how is it beneficial over just mutating his position?
for(ever)//simplified game-loop update or "tick" method
{
if(Keyboard.IsDown(Key.Right)
guy = new Guy(guy){location = new Point(guy.Location.x +1, guy.Location.y)};
}
Also confusing is: The above code means that guy is mutable!(even if his properties are not)
4.5) Is that at all possible with a totally immutable guy?
Thanks,
J.
A couple comments on your points:
1) Yes, maybe. To reduce overhead, a practical design will probably end up sharing a lot of state between these instances. For example, perhaps your little guy has an "Equipment" structure which is also immutable. The new copy and the old copy can reference the same "equipment" structure safely, since it's immutable; so you only have to copy a reference, not the whole thing. This is an common advantage you only get thanks to immutability -- if "equipment" was mutable, you couldn't share the reference, since if it changed, your "old" version would change too.
2) In a game, the most practical solution to this issue would probably be to have a global "clock" and have this sort of processing happen once, at a clock tick. Note that your exact scenario would still be a problem if you didn't write it in a functional style: Suppose H0 is the health at time T. If you passed H0 to a function which made a decision about health at time T, you took damage at time T+1, and then the function returned at time T+5, it might have made the wrong decision based on your current health.
3) In a language that encourages functional programming, object instantiation is often made as cheap as possible. I know that on the JVM, creating small objects on the heap is so fast that it's rarely a performance consideration in any practical situation at all, and in C# I've never encountered a situation where it was a concern either.
If my little guy at position
x10,y100 moves right 1 unit do I just
re-instantiate him using his old
values with a +1 to his x position
(e.g x11,y100)?
Well, not necessarily. You could instantiate the guy once, and change its position during play. You may model this with agents. The guy is an agent, so is the AI, so is the render thread, so is the user.
When the AI shoots the guy, it sends it a message, when the user presses an arrow key that sends another message and so on.
let guyAgent (guy, position, health) =
let messages = receiveMessages()
let (newPosition, newHealth) = process(messages)
sendMessage(renderer, (guy, newPosition, newHealth))
guyAgent (guy, newPosition, newHealth)
"Everything" is immutable now (actually, under the hood the agent's dipatch queue does have some mutable state probably).
If immutability is something I
should strive for and even jump though
hoops of instantiating new versions of
objects that have changed...And If I
instantiate my guy every time he moves
(only with a different position) don't
I have exactly the same problems as I
would if he was mutable?
Well, yes. Looping with mutable values and recurring with immutable ones is equivalent.
Edit:
For agents, the wiki is always helpful.
Luca Bolognese has an F# implementation of agents.
This book (called by some The Intelligent Agent Book), though targeting the AI applications (instead of having a SW engineering point of view) is excellent.
If everything in the global system state, outside the current stack frame, is immutable, unless gives another thread a reference to something on the stack (VERY DANGEROUS) there won't be any way for a threads to do anything to affect each other. You could fire and forget, or simply not bother firing in the first place, and the effect would be the same.
Assuming there are some parts of the global state that are mutable, one useful pattern is:
Do
Latch a mutable reference to an immutable object
Generate a new object based upon the latched reference
Loop While CompareExchange fails.
The compare exchange should update the mutable reference to the new one if it still points to old one. This avoids the overhead of locking if there is no concurrent access, but may perform worse than locking if many threads are try to update the same object and generating a new instance from the latched one is slow. One advantage of this approach is that there is no danger of deadlock, though in some situations liveLock could occur.
Another functional approach to this sort of problem is to take a step back and separate out the idea of state from the idea of your little guy.
Your state will include your little guy's position, as well as the position of your baddy and it's shot, and then you have some functions that take some or all of the state and do things like generating the next state and drawing the screen.
The timing issues you're talking about when things you want to parallelize depend on each other are real problems that won't magically go away, although the solutions may be more or less convenient in different languages.
Several suggestions have already been made, and there are a variety of concurrency solutions. The central clock and agents would work, as would Software Transactional Memory, Mutexes or CSP (go style channels), and probably others. The best approach is going to depend on the specifics of the problem, and to a certain extent on personal taste.
As for the head-spinning, try not to get too caught up in whether a thing is changing or not. The point of immutability is not that things don't change, it's that you can create pure functions so that your program is easier to reason about.
For example, an OO program might have a drawing function that iterates over all the objects in a scene, and asks them all to draw themselves, where a functional program might have a function that takes a state and draws a frame.
The end result would be the same scene, but the way the logic and the state is organised is very different.
I, for one, find that it's much easier to work on when you have all the data over here, in one big input lump, and all the drawing logic there, encapsulated in some functions. There are some pretty clear architectural wins too - serialization, testing, and swapping out front ends gets a lot easier with this sort of structure.
Not everything in your program should be immutable. A player's position is something you would expect to be mutable. His name, maybe not.
Immutability is good, but you should perhaps rethink your approach to use more concurrent solutions than simple "immutable"ize everything. Consider this
Thread AI gets copy of your position
You move three units to the left.
AI shoots you based on your old position, and hits... shouldn't happen!
Also, most gaming is done in "game ticks" - there's not much multithreading going on!
I find that my Flex application's UI becomes unresponsive during very long processing loops (tens of seconds). For example, while processing very large XML files and doing something per-element...
Is there an equivalent of "ProcessMessages"? That is, a call that would tell Flex to continue responding to UI events, even in the middle of some long loop, so that the UI doesn't become unresponsive?
I'm aware Flex is single threaded by design. That's exactly why I'm looking for something like ProcessMessages() - a function that allows single-threaded reentrant applications (like in VB, or single-threaded message loop based C++ applications) to remain responsive during long operations.
Summary of Answers
There's no built-in function like HandleEvents() or ProcessMessages() in Flex.
Using some sort of callback mechanism to iteratively process chunks of a long computation process, while yielding to the runtime between chunks, thus enabling it to be responsive, is the only way to maintain a responsive UI during long computations.
Ways of accomplishing the above are:
Using the enterFrame event, which is called whenever the Flash "movie" layer below the Flex application refreshes its frame (which is something like 20fps).
Using a timer.
Using UIComponent.callLater() which schedules work to be done "later". (as the docs say: Queues a function to be called later. Before each update of the screen, Flash Player or AIR calls the set of functions that are scheduled for the update.
Using intentionally triggered mouse/keyboard events to create pseudo "worker threads", as in this example.
If there are further suggestions, or if I left out anything, please feel free to edit this (now) wiki piece.
The problem is that Flash is single threaded, i.e. until a part of the code is running, no other processing can be made. You'll somehow need to break up the processing into smaller chunks and execute these chunks, say, on the enterFrame event.
Edit: I'm afraid that downvoting this (or Simon's) answer does not change the fact that this is not doable in AS3. Read this article for more insight on the problem. The article also includes a simple "library" called PseudoThread, which helps in executing long background computations. You still have to break up the problem into smaller pieces yourself, though.
I can tell you definitively that as of Flex 3, there is no built-in construct similar to the ProcessMessages functionality you are describing.
The most common way to work around this is to split whatever work you are processing into a queue of "worker" tasks and a "worker manager" to control the queue. As each "worker" completes its processing, the worker queue manager pops the next worker off the queue and executes it in a callLater() invocation. This will have an effect that is similar to "yielding to the main thread" and allow your UI to receive events and be responsive, while still allowing the processing to continue when control is returned to the worker.
Once you've got this working, you can do some testing and profiling to figure out if your application can get away with executing a run of multiple workers before invoking callLater(), and encapsulate this logic within the worker queue manager. For example, in our implementation of this pattern (with a few hundred workers in the queue), we were able to get the processing done more quickly with a comparable perceived performance by executing 4 workers before "yielding to the main thread" with callLater(), but this is totally dependent on the scope and nature of the work that your workers are doing.
The process model for ActionScript is single threaded, so the answer is no. Best bet is to either defer to an asynchronous task on the server if you can, or pop up a wait cursor while your long loop runs, or break your process into some smaller pieces which are not quite as intrusive to the UI, or perform the long running tasks at a moment when the user is less likely to feel the effect (app startup for instance).
Actionscript is single threaded by design, no amount of downvoting answers will change that.
For compatibility your best bet is to try to split up your processing into smaller chunks, and do your processing iteratively.
If you absolutely need threading it can sort of be done in Flash Player 10 using Pixel Bender filters. These will run on a separate thread and can give you a callback once they are done.
I believe they are well suited for "hardcore" processing tasks, so they might fit your purpose nicely.
However, they will put a whole other set of demands on your code, so you might be better of doing small "buckets" of computing anyways.
There is no equivalent functionality in Flash Player. By design, Flash Player alternates between rendering to the screen and then running all of the code for each frame. Using Event.ENTER_FRAME events on display objects, or Timer objects elsewhere, are the best bet for breaking up very long calculations.
It's worth noting that some events in ActionScript have an updateAfterEvent() function with the following description:
Instructs Flash Player or the AIR runtime to render after processing of this event completes, if the display list has been modified.
In particular, TimerEvent, MouseEvent, and KeyboardEvent support updateAfterEvent(). There may be others, but those are the ones I found with a quick search.