I have seen the tcp length is changing but not sure what made it,
32bytes
40bytes
Is it possible to set this fixed as 32bytes?
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I am not sure if MSS related to TCP length, which means 1460 gives 32 bytes?
TCP header length can vary for a number of reasons.
The usual value is 40 bytes, but options such as SACK can result in longer headers, as specific sections of a stream are ACKed where packets have been dropped (or overly delayed).
HTTP in general has no interest or control over the size of the underlying transport (TCP) header. These things tend to be set by the operating system TCP/IP stack, although some can be altered with iocontrols to the sockets.
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While experimenting with a UDP server that runs on esp32, I found that the size of the received packet is limited to 1500 bytes: 20 (IP header) + 8 (UDP header) + 1472 (data), (although in theory UDP as if can support packets data up to 64K). This means that in order to transfer a larger amount of data, the client must split it into several chunks and send them one after the other, and on the server side, this data will need to be restored. I think that the overhead of such a solution will be quite high. I also know that Toit provides TCP/IP connection. Naturally, the packet size is also limited in the case of TCP/IP. This is 64K (65535 bytes). Does Toit have any additional restrictions on the TCP/IP connection, or 64K value is fact also for Toit?
As described in this question/answer, it's a matter of avoiding packet fragmentation. Sending packages above this size will force the system to split them up into multiple fragments of size MTU, with each of them being individually unreliable. As memory is already very limited on embedded systems, sending large (> MTU) packages where all fragments has to arrive before it can be processed, can be very unfortunate for the overall application behavior as it can time out or go out-of-memory.
Instead the application should look at a streaming pipeline (perhaps even TCP to handle the unreliable aspects as well).
As TCP/IP is a streaming protocol, any sized "packages" can be sent, as they are automatically split into fragments of size MTU. Note that the data is received in "random"-sized packages, though the order of the bytes is fully preserved.
We all know that TCP is a streaming protocol.
Unlike UDP, which guarantees that the whole client message will be delivered to server as a single datagram (we're talking about transport layer, so avoid MTU at the moment), TCP can fragment one "message" (data that was passed to the send function) into several smaller packets so we have to use our own delimiters as a messages' borders.
The question is -- how TCP chooses which data should be fragmented and by which size? Is there any common / standard methods that it uses?
TCP uses a parameter called Maximum Segment Size:
The maximum segment size (MSS) is a parameter of the options field of the TCP header that specifies the largest amount of data, specified in bytes, that a computer or communications device can receive in a single TCP segment. It does not count the TCP header or the IP header. The IP datagram containing a TCP segment may be self-contained within a single packet, or it may be reconstructed from several fragmented pieces; either way, the MSS limit applies to the total amount of data contained in the final, reconstructed TCP segment.
The default TCP Maximum Segment Size is 536. Where a host wishes to set the maximum segment size to a value other than the default, the maximum segment size is specified as a TCP option, initially in the TCP SYN packet during the TCP handshake. The value cannot be changed after the connection is established.
If path MTU discovery is enabled, MSS is set to that minus TCP headers size.
On Linux TCP_MAXSEG socket option controls the parameter:
if this option is set before connection establishment, it also changes the MSS value announced to the other end in the initial packet. Values greater than the (eventual) interface MTU have no effect. TCP will also impose its minimum and maximum bounds over the value provided.
As far as we know the absolute limitation on TCP packet size is 64K (65535 bytes), and in practicality this is far larger than the size of any packet you will see, because the lower layers (e.g. ethernet) have lower packet sizes. The MTU (Maximum Transmission Unit) for Ethernet, for instance, is 1500 bytes.
I want to know, Is there any any way or any tools, to send packets larger than 64k?
I want to test a device in facing with packet larger than 64k! I mean I want to see, if I send a packet larger than 64K, how it behave? Does it drop some part of it? Or something else.
So :
1- How to send this large packets? What is the proper layer for this?
2- How the receiver behave usually?
The IP packet format has only 16 bit for the size of the packet, so you will not be able to create a packet with a size larger than 64k. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4#Total_Length. Since TCP uses IP as the lower layer this limit applies here too.
There is no such thing as a TCP packet. TCP data is sent and received in segments, which can be as large as you like up to the limits of the API you're using, as they can be comprised of multiple IP packets. At the receiver TCP is indistinguishable from a byte stream.
NB osi has nothing to do with this, or anything else.
TCP segments are not size-limited. The thing which imposes the limit is that IPv4 and IPv6 packets have 16 bit length fields, so a size larger than this limit is not possible to express.
However, RFC 2675 is a proposed standards for IPv6 which would expand the length field to 32 bits, allowing much larger TCP segments.
See here for a talk about why this change could help improve performance and here for a set of (experimental) patches to Linux to enable this RFC.
I've been doing some work with C# Networking using UDP. I'm getting on fine but need the answer to a couple of fundamental questions I'm having problems testing:
Currently I'm sending data in a ~16000 byte datagrams, which according to wireshark is getting split into several 1500 byte packets (because of max packet size limits) and then reassembled at the other end.
Am I right in understanding the datagram will be received complete at the other end OR not at all. IE it's an all or nothing thing. There is no chance of ending up with a fragmented datagram due to packet loss?
Therefore, I only need to ACK per datagram, rather than ensuring my datagrams are < 1500 bytes and ACK each one?
I've looked in a lot of places but there seems to be a lot of confusion between the differences between datagrams and the underlying packets...
Thanks for you help!
There is no chance of ending up with a fragmented datagram due to packet loss?
I believe that's true: that fragmentation and fragment reassembly is handled by the protocol layer below UDP, i.e. that it's handled by the "IP" layer, which will error if it fails to reassemble the packet-fragments into a datagram (for example, search for "fragment" in RFC 792).
http://www.pcvr.nl/tcpip/udp_user.htm#11_5 says,
"The IP layer at the destination performs the reassembly. The goal is to make fragmentation and reassembly transparent to the transport layer (TCP and UDP), which it is, except for possible performance degradation."
As you may now 16 bit UDP length field indicates that you can send a total of 65535 bytes. However, the data can be theoretically (sizeof(IP Header) + sizeof(UDP Header)) = 65535-(20+8) = 65507 bytes.
But this does not mean that all applications that are using UDP will send this amount of data as an example DNS packets limits to 512 bytes. This is because you don't get any ACK packets from server. This is one reason that packets may get lost in the network (packet transmission problems and loss). Secondly intermediate nodes may encapsulate datagrams inside of another protocol, as an example IPSEC or other protocols do that.
For UDP there is no ACK packets, so in your case if underlying application uses UDP you should not see any ACK packets. Secondly, some of the server limit their sizes to the max UDP packets depending on the application, so if you have data transfer from client to server you should see same bytes e.g 512 bytes. going and coming back in wireshark. Mostly, source makes the request and destination sends X bytes UDP datagrams back.
These links may be good for your questions:
Wireshark UDP analysis
RFC 1122 (states that 576 is the minimum maximum reassembly buffer size)
Am I right in understanding the datagram will be received complete at the other end OR not at all. IE it's an all or nothing thing. There is no chance of ending up with a fragmented datagram due to packet loss?
That is correct.
Therefore, I only need to ACK per datagram, rather than ensuring my datagrams are < 1500 bytes and ACK each one?
I don't understand this question. You need to ACK each datagram regardless of its size, and you should make them < 1500 bytes so they won't get fragmented. Otherwise you may never be able to transmit any specific datagrams at all, if it repeatedly gets fragmented and a fragment repeatedly gets lost.
What is the maximum packet size for a TCP connection or how can I get the maximum packet size?
The absolute limitation on TCP packet size is 64K (65535 bytes), but in practicality this is far larger than the size of any packet you will see, because the lower layers (e.g. ethernet) have lower packet sizes.
The MTU (Maximum Transmission Unit) for Ethernet, for instance, is 1500 bytes. Some types of networks (like Token Ring) have larger MTUs, and some types have smaller MTUs, but the values are fixed for each physical technology.
This is an excellent question and I run in to this a lot at work actually. There are a lot of "technically correct" answers such as 65k and 1500. I've done a lot of work writing network interfaces and using 65k is silly, and 1500 can also get you in to big trouble. My work goes on a lot of different hardware / platforms / routers, and to be honest the place I start is 1400 bytes. If you NEED more than 1400 you can start to inch your way up, you can probably go to 1450 and sometimes to 1480'ish? If you need more than that then of course you need to split in to 2 packets, of which there are several obvious ways of doing..
The problem is that you're talking about creating a data packet and writing it out via TCP, but of course there's header data tacked on and so forth, so you have "baggage" that puts you to 1500 or beyond.. and also a lot of hardware has lower limits.
If you "push it" you can get some really weird things going on. Truncated data, obviously, or dropped data I've seen rarely. Corrupted data also rarely but certainly does happen.
At the application level, the application uses TCP as a stream oriented protocol. TCP in turn has segments and abstracts away the details of working with unreliable IP packets.
TCP deals with segments instead of packets. Each TCP segment has a sequence number which is contained inside a TCP header.
The actual data sent in a TCP segment is variable.
There is a value for getsockopt that is supported on some OS that you can use called TCP_MAXSEG which retrieves the maximum TCP segment size (MSS). It is not supported on all OS though.
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do but if you want to reduce the buffer size that's used you could also look into: SO_SNDBUF and SO_RCVBUF.
There're no packets in TCP API.
There're packets in underlying protocols often, like when TCP is done over IP, which you have no interest in, because they have nothing to do with the user except for very delicate performance optimizations which you are probably not interested in (according to the question's formulation).
If you ask what is a maximum number of bytes you can send() in one API call, then this is implementation and settings dependent. You would usually call send() for chunks of up to several kilobytes, and be always ready for the system to refuse to accept it totally or partially, in which case you will have to manually manage splitting into smaller chunks to feed your data into the TCP send() API.
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_segment_size, the default largest size for a IPV4 packet on a network is 536 octets (bytes of size 8 bits). See RFC 879
Generally, this will be dependent on the interface the connection is using. You can probably use an ioctl() to get the MTU, and if it is ethernet, you can usually get the maximum packet size by subtracting the size of the hardware header from that, which is 14 for ethernet with no VLAN.
This is only the case if the MTU is at least that large across the network. TCP may use path MTU discovery to reduce your effective MTU.
The question is, why do you care?
If you are with Linux machines, "ifconfig eth0 mtu 9000 up" is the command to set the MTU for an interface. However, I have to say, big MTU has some downsides if the network transmission is not so stable, and it may use more kernel space memories.
One solution can be to set socket option TCP_MAXSEG (http://linux.die.net/man/7/tcp) to a value that is "safe" with underlying network (e.g. set to 1400 to be safe on ethernet) and then use a large buffer in send system call.
This way there can be less system calls which are expensive.
Kernel will split the data to match MSS.
This way you can avoid truncated data and your application doesn't have to worry about small buffers.
It seems most web sites out on the internet use 1460 bytes for the value of MTU. Sometimes it's 1452 and if you are on a VPN it will drop even more for the IPSec headers.
The default window size varies quite a bit up to a max of 65535 bytes. I use http://tcpcheck.com to look at my own source IP values and to check what other Internet vendors are using.
The packet size for a TCP setting in IP protocol(Ip4). For this field(TL), 16 bits are allocated, accordingly the max size of packet is 65535 bytes: IP protocol details