Here, line segment ab is cast upward on arbitrary vector n where I do somethings to find the black point on the line segment cd. My question is, how do I find the point on ab that intersects with the inverted n vector coming down from the new point?
Looks like it will have the same x-coordinate as the black point (call this x). The slope of ab is m = (by - ay) / (bx - ax), so the y coordinate is mx + ay.
If the projection is parallel, by the Thales theorem the ratios are preserved.
|ae| / |ab| = |cf| / |cd| = r
which is known.
The searched point is, vectorially
e = a + r.ab = a + |cf|/|cd|.ab
Ok, I know this sounds really daft to be asking here, but it is programming related.
I'm working on a game, and I'm thinking of implementing a system that allows users to triangulate their 3D coordinates to locate something (eg for a task).
I also want to be able to let the user make the coordinates of the points they are using for triangulation have user-determined coordinates (so the location's coordinate is relative, probably by setting up a beacon or something).
I have a method in place for calculating the distance between the points, so essentially I can calculate the lengths of the sides of the triangle/pyramid as well as all but the coordinate I am after.
It has been a long time since I have done any trigonometry and I am rusty with the sin, cos and tan functions, I have a feeling they are required but have no clue how to implement them.
Can anyone give me a demonstration as to how I would go about doing this in a mathematical/programatical way?
extra info:
My function returns the exact distance between the two points, so say you set two points to 0,0,0 and 4,4,0 respectively, and those points are set to scale(the game world is divided into a very large 3d grid, with each 'block' area being represented by a 3d coordinate) then it would give back a value at around 5.6.
The key point about it varying is that the user can set the points, so say they set a point to read 0,0,0, the actual location could be something like 52, 85, 93. However, providing they then count the blocks and set their other points correctly (eg, set a point 4,4,0 at the real point 56, 89, 93) then the final result will return the relative position (eg the object they are trying to locate is at real point 152, 185, 93, it will return the relative value 100,100,0). I need to be able to calculate it knowing every point but the one it's trying to locate, as well as the distances between all points.
Also, please don't ask why I can't just calculate it by using the real coordinates, I'm hoping to show the equation up on screen as it calculates the result.7
Example:
Here is a diagram
Imagine these are points in my game on a flat plain.
I want to know the point f.
I know the values of points d and e, and the sides A,B and C.
Using only the data I know, I need to find out how to do this.
Answered Edit:
After many days of working on this, Sean Kenny has provided me with his time, patience and intellect, and thus I have now got a working implementation of a triangulation method.
I hope to place the different language equivalents of the code as I test them so that future coders may use this code and not have the same problem I have had.
I spent a bit of time working on a solution but I think the implementer, i.e you, should know what it's doing, so any errors encountered can be tackled later on. As such, I'll give my answer in the form of strong hints.
First off, we have a vector from d to e which we can work out: if we consider the coordinates as position vectors rather than absolute coordinates, how can we determine what the vector pointing from d to e is? Think about how you would determine the displacement you had moved if you only knew where you started and where you ended up? Displacement is a straight line, point A to B, no deviation, not: I had to walk around that house so I walked further. A straight line. If you started at the point (0,0) it would be easy.
Secondly, the cosine rule. Do you know what it is? If not, read up on it. How can we rearrange the form given in the link to find the angle d between vectors DE and DF? Remember you need the angle, not a function of the angle (cos is a function remember).
Next we can use a vector 'trick' called the scalar product. Notice there is a cos function in there. Now, you may be thinking, we've just found the angle, why are we doing it again?
Define DQ = [1,0]. DQ is a vector of length 1, a unit vector, along the x-axis. Which other vector do we know? Do we know of two position vectors?
Once we have two vectors (I hope you worked out the other one) we can use the scalar product to find the angle; again, just the angle, not a function of it.
Now, hopefully, we have 2 angles. Could we take one from the other to get yet another angle to our desired coordinate DF? The choice of using a unit vector earlier was not arbitrary.
The scalar product, after some cancelling, gives us this : cos(theta) = x / r
Where x is the x ordinate for F and r is the length of side A.
The end result being:
theta = arccos( xe / B ) - arccos( ( (A^2) + (B^2) - (C^2) ) / ( 2*A*B ) )
Where theta is the angle formed between a unit vector along the line y = 0 where the origin is at point d.
With this information we can find the x and y coordinates of point f relative to d. How?
Again, with the scalar product. The rest is fairly easy, so I'll give it to you.
x = r.cos(theta)
y = r.sin(theta)
From basic trigonometry.
I wouldn't advise trying to code this into one value.
Instead, try this:
//pseudo code
dx = 0
dy = 0 //initialise coordinates somehow
ex = ex
ey = ey
A = A
B = B
C = C
cosd = ex / B
cosfi = ((A^2) + (B^2) - (C^2)) / ( 2*A*B)
d = acos(cosd) //acos is a method in java.math
fi = acos(cosfi) //you will have to find an equivalent in your chosen language
//look for a method of inverse cos
theta = fi - d
x = A cos(theta)
y = A sin(theta)
Initialise all variables as those which can take decimals. e.g float or double in Java.
The green along the x-axis represents the x ordinate of f, and the purple the y ordinate.
The blue angle is the one we are trying to find because, hopefully you can see, we can then use simple trig to work out x and y, given that we know the length of the hypotenuse.
This yellow line up to 1 is the unit vector for which scalar products are taken, this runs along the x-axis.
We need to find the black and red angles so we can deduce the blue angle by simple subtraction.
Hope this helps. Extensions can be made to 3D, all the vector functions work basically the same for 3D.
If you have the displacements from an origin, regardless of whether this is another user defined coordinate or not, the coordinate for that 3D point are simply (x, y, z).
If you are defining these lengths from a point, which also has a coordinate to take into account, you can simply write (x, y, z) + (x1, y1, z1) = (x2, y2, z2) where x2, y2 and z2 are the displacements from the (0, 0, 0) origin.
If you wish to find the length of this vector, i.e if you defined the line from A to B to be the x axis, what would the x displacement be, you can use Pythagoras for 3D vectors, it works just the same as with 2D:
Length l = sqrt((x^2) + (y^2) + (z^2))
EDIT:
Say you have a user defined point A (x1, y1, z1) and you want to define this as the origin (0,0,0). You have another user chosen point B (x2, y2, z2) and you know the distance from A to B in the x, y and z plane. If you want to work out what this point is, in relation to the new origin, you can simply do
B relative to A = (x2, y2, z2) - (x1, y1, z1) = (x2-x1, y2-y1, z2-z1) = C
C is the vector A>B, a vector is a quantity which has a magnitude (the length of the lines) and a direction (the angle from A which points to B).
If you want to work out the position of B relative to the origin O, you can do the opposite:
B relative to O = (x2, y2, z2) + (x1, y1, z1) = (x1+x2, y1+y2, z1+z2) = D
D is the vector O>B.
Edit 2:
//pseudo code
userx = x;
usery = y;
userz = z;
//move origin
for (every block i){
xi = xi-x;
yi = yi - y;
zi = zi -z;
}
I'm trying to figure out how to find a point along a line (half way, to be precice).
I need this to put a particle emitter in the correct location to leave a smoke-trail after bullets.
I've got point A and point C. Point A is the barrel-muzzle, and point C is found using ray-cast. Now, in order to put the emitter in the right location I need to find point D. How do one do this? I attached a picure to make it more visual.
No, I could not attach the picture, but here's a link.
Thanks in advance.
-Pimms
If your point is half way along a line between two points then you can just average their x and y co-ordinates to get the x and y for the midpoint (works in any number of dimensions).
If you want a point a certain proportion (ie 1/10th) along then you would do 1/10th of one point plus 9/10th of the other point.
In your example Point D is mid way between point A and C. This means the co-ordinates of D would be:
X = (0+10)/2 = 5
Y = (0+7)/2 = 3.5
Do I get you right? D is halfway between A and C ?
Solution:
D = (A + C) / 2
or:
D.x = (A.x + C.x) / 2
D.y = (A.y + C.y) / 2
My problem:
How can I take two 3D points and lock them to a single axis? For instance, so that both their z-axes are 0.
What I'm trying to do:
I have a set of 3D coordinates in a scene, representing a a box with a pyramid on it. I also have a camera, represented by another 3D coordinate. I subtract the camera coordinate from the scene coordinate and normalize it, returning a vector that points to the camera. I then do ray-plane intersection with a plane that is behind the camera point.
O + tD
Where O (origin) is the camera position, D is the direction from the scene point to the camera and t is time it takes for the ray to intersect the plane from the camera point.
If that doesn't make sense, here's a crude drawing:
I've searched far and wide, and as far as I can tell, this is called using a "pinhole camera".
The problem is not my camera rotation, I've eliminated that. The trouble is in translating the intersection point to barycentric (uv) coordinates.
The translation on the x-axis looks like this:
uaxis.x = -a_PlaneNormal.y;
uaxis.y = a_PlaneNormal.x;
uaxis.z = a_PlaneNormal.z;
point vaxis = uaxis.CopyCrossProduct(a_PlaneNormal);
point2d.x = intersection.DotProduct(uaxis);
point2d.y = intersection.DotProduct(vaxis);
return point2d;
While the translation on the z-axis looks like this:
uaxis.x = -a_PlaneNormal.z;
uaxis.y = a_PlaneNormal.y;
uaxis.z = a_PlaneNormal.x;
point vaxis = uaxis.CopyCrossProduct(a_PlaneNormal);
point2d.x = intersection.DotProduct(uaxis);
point2d.y = intersection.DotProduct(vaxis);
return point2d;
My question is: how can I turn a ray plane intersection point to barycentric coordinates on both the x and the z axis?
The usual formula for points (p) on a line, starting at (p0) with vector direction (v) is:
p = p0 + t*v
The criterion for a point (p) on a plane containing (p1) and with normal (n) is:
(p - p1).n = 0
So, plug&chug:
(p0 + t*v - p1).n = (p0-p1).n + t*(v.n) = 0
-> t = (p1-p0).n / v.n
-> p = p0 + ((p1-p0).n / v.n)*v
To check:
(p - p1).n = (p0-p1).n + ((p1-p0).n / v.n)*(v.n)
= (p0-p1).n + (p1-p0).n
= 0
If you want to fix the Z coordinate at a particular value, you need to choose a normal along the Z axis (which will define a plane parallel to XY plane).
Then, you have:
n = (0,0,1)
-> p = p0 + ((p1.z-p0.z)/v.z) * v
-> x and y offsets from p0 = ((p1.z-p0.z)/v.z) * (v.x,v.y)
Finally, if you're trying to build a virtual "camera" for 3D computer graphics, the standard way to do this kind of thing is homogeneous coordinates. Ultimately, working with homogeneous coordinates is simpler (and usually faster) than the kind of ad hoc 3D vector algebra I have written above.
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Suppose I have a line segment going from (x1,y1) to (x2,y2). How do I calculate the normal vector perpendicular to the line?
I can find lots of stuff about doing this for planes in 3D, but no 2D stuff.
Please go easy on the maths (links to worked examples, diagrams or algorithms are welcome), I'm a programmer more than I'm a mathematician ;)
If we define dx = x2 - x1 and dy = y2 - y1, then the normals are (-dy, dx) and (dy, -dx).
Note that no division is required, and so you're not risking dividing by zero.
Another way to think of it is to calculate the unit vector for a given direction and then apply a 90 degree counterclockwise rotation to get the normal vector.
The matrix representation of the general 2D transformation looks like this:
x' = x cos(t) - y sin(t)
y' = x sin(t) + y cos(t)
where (x,y) are the components of the original vector and (x', y') are the transformed components.
If t = 90 degrees, then cos(90) = 0 and sin(90) = 1. Substituting and multiplying it out gives:
x' = -y
y' = +x
Same result as given earlier, but with a little more explanation as to where it comes from.
We know that: if two vectors are perpendicular, their dot product equals zero.
The normal vector (x',y') is perpendicular to the line connecting (x1,y1) and (x2,y2). This line has direction (x2-x1,y2-y1), or (dx,dy).
So,
(x',y').(dx,dy) = 0
x'.dx + y'.dy = 0
The are plenty of pairs (x',y') that satisfy the above equation. But the best pair that ALWAYS satisfies is either (dy,-dx) or (-dy,dx)
m1 = (y2 - y1) / (x2 - x1)
if perpendicular two lines:
m1*m2 = -1
then
m2 = -1 / m1 //if (m1 == 0, then your line should have an equation like x = b)
y = m2*x + b //b is offset of new perpendicular line..
b is something if you want to pass it from a point you defined