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I'm looking for a good way to implement reusable buttons in CSS on my forms. The requirements:
- Separate image and text (text is in many languages)
- Rollover effects
- Plays nicely cross browser
- No javascript (if possible)
- Rounded corners
Whats the best way to do this? Years ago I was using the sliding doors technique, but this seems out of date now. Would you use CSS3 with a fallback for older browsers? Any particularly well thought of techniques out there?
Jquery UI buttons are AWESOME. They're fully tested, completely compliant, and really look great. With one line of code, you can have a fully styled button in no time flat. Here's the thing--they can be executed without Jquery (go figure)
First, the tut
So, the standard method is to build an element (a, button, input) with an id and set it as a button in Jquery like this:$('#element').button()
However, if you do it in the manner that the tutorial shows, you just have to add some classes to an element to get a similar effect. So, to make a button out of an a tag, it would just be
Button
In this example, there's no need to set the button with the jQuery button declaration...you're doing it by style only. With the flexibility to style so many different type of elements, it opens up a ton of doors.
You would have to have the Jquery UI css loaded, which offers the added benefit of ThemeRoller, which can style elements on the page with a simple change of a file. It's really a great way to "theme" a site that has to change branding in a hurry, which has made custom themed apps my company puts out extremely profitable.
I would use css sprites for this. You can find out about them here:
http://css-tricks.com/css-sprites/
It is basically a way to make one large image that has all states of buttons(normal, hover, selected). The benefit is it is one http request and you don't see a flicker the first time a hover occurs. If you use this route, the css background property will be the image. You can then use text-align and line-height to center the text that you want to place over the image.
This library, Nifty Corners Cubed uses Javascript but is a fairly clean way to round div tags links, etc. It is tough to find a reusable solution without using a sliding doors derived technique. Otherwise you stuck making none-resuable buttons that have to fit to your size.
You can also take a look at PIE http://css3pie.com/
A sprite is a great option and I do use them from time to time.
Personally I don't mind if my websites aren't identical in all browsers and I go the CSS class route. I keep in mind what is and isn't supported by various browsers and if there is an element that needs to be a certain way I will double check with W3Schools for compatibility.
The main benefit the keeps me using CSS/CSS3 classes is if something changes it is done quickly by text in a single file, if need be I can do a quick change from a 10 year old computer with a dial-up connection (if they still exist) and no imaging software.
Where the advantage of a sprite is they are supported across all browsers and they will look identical (more or less). SpriteMe is a bookmarklet that I have heard of to help with sprites if you decide to go down this path.
I see this as a what do you prefer matter... these questions are what I ask myself when making this type of decision:
How often will it change? Big or small changes? Will it be a complete redesign job if it changes? What do you already know? How much time are you willing to spend learning something that you may not know? What does your gut say for this project?
I hope this can help you.
I'm working on a web app that currently has a table-based layout. Ideally I'd like to go to pure css, or failing that, a hybrid tables-and-css layout* .
I've banged my head against the wall trying to understand css layouts and positioning. The main problem I'm encountering is that, depending on the state of the app, I have different things appearing in a 'section' of the layout -- what might be contained in a div or table. For instance, I might have some text and links, and then after user interaction, there might be a form, a table, some images, different text, etc. Anytime I find a css solution, it is for a fixed-element layout, or works in a specific case, etc. They're not robust solutions, in other words.
From this In Search of the One True Layout, the author about "Vertical placement of elements across grids/columns": "Designers face the choice of relying on elements being a particular height, resorting to tables or simply not bothering." Is this true? In my app, I can't rely on elements being a particular height.
Do I fall back on tables when I have elements of various hieghts ( which is quite a bit of the site, actually). I noticed that quite a bit of sites done by well-respected people and organizations use tables for layout in certain places, and not just for tabular data! This site included.
The chances are that there are CSS techniques to achieve what you want, but they may not be obvious if using CSS for complex layouts is new to you.
In your case, to 'get it done', I would recommend a hybrid type layout, and not feel bad about using a table to layout the pieces of the application that require those particular behaviours.
If it is particularly complex and difficult than a table might be the best and simplest approach even for the CSS expert.
Dynamic heights are only a problem if you need to implement a special effect of soem sort or a background image and oftent there are ways around that. It really depends on the Visual Design and what needs to be done to make each "block" flexible to use. Sometimes things arent possible but most of the time they are - they jsut tend to add complexity to the markup. But even that added complexity is easier for me to understand than nested tables :-)
My advice if you want to get things done and spend a ridiculous amount of time on css layout, browser compatibility, CSS reset, fonts:
write simple, valid, semantic HTML
use a simple CSS framework (like blueprint). You will rely on a simple grid system for positioning and layout.
add CSS classes to your HTML
add your custom CSS for colors, backgrounds...
Please reconsider using a table layout 'to get it done'; you will be disappointed, especially if you want to add some JS magic later.
I use CSS layouts for my web apps. But, my apps don't have wildly varying information, so I can set the content area and not have to worry about the layout looking "off" because a column is way out of balance with the rest of the content.
If you're having trouble with CSS layout and positioning, I'd suggest tables first, learn more about CSS/HTML positioning, and then convert your layout LATER. I'm sure that it's made for a frustrating experience learning CSS on a "real" project.
In the meantime, get some really good sources for CSS: books by Andy Budd, Simon Collison, Eric Meyer, et. al. Also, go to their blogs and dig into the archives. A really good book for CSS layout, positioning and general use is Beginning CSS Web Development by Simon Collison from APress. All the ins and outs with great working examples.
Having asked this question How to reach CSS zen?, I now understand that the issues I have are mostly related to positioning. I've found some articles telling that CSS is not always good enough as a layout system.
http://echochamber.me/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=40154
http://www.flownet.com/ron/css-rant.html
http://blog.workaround.org/2009/03/17/dont-abuse-css-for-page-layout/
Do you as CSS designers limit yourselves upfront to designs that CSS can handle? Should I avoid things that seems perfectly easy are in fact difficult to do with CSS?
Of course you limit yourself. As a designer, you should always think about the medium you're working with. If I were designing a magazine ad, I wouldn't be thinking about animations or video. There are certain rules you must adhere to, and it doesn't make sense to ignore that.
But of course, rules were always meant to be broken.
Why?
If you are "designing", why would you limit yourself based on a the limitation of one technology? When you design your site, you should always try to achieve the most usuable interface for the user.
If you do limit yourself, then you are just asking for the site to not be used, and then what's the point of creating it?
I don't limit myself upfront to any designs that CSS can handle (within reason of course), just figure out your design and there will be someway that you can get it looking right using CSS, but it might involve a lot of hair pulling, especially if IE6 is involved!
When implementing a web design (assuming I've got an image/drawing of what the site will look like) I always follow these steps:
I look at the design and determine what components it has. Examples are navigation areas, headers, content areas, and so on.
I implement (X)HTML that can represent the content areas without really taking the design into account (there are certain things such as content order that I use the design to determine.)
I start making the CSS and images needed for the site to look the same way it did in the original design document. Depending on the complexity of the design, I might come up short of elements to use for styling the page, and may end up adding elements that don't really make sense for the content. I try to avoid it as much as possible, though, and I try to create the elements in a way that isn't obtrusive to the content.
As you can see, I never limit the design to the capabilities of CSS. CSS comes last. Now, depending on the complexity of the design, it might not look exactly like it did in the original design document, but the goal is always to make it as identical as possible, while still maintaining clean HTML so that the design can easily be updated in the future.
Most layouts I find can be done with CSS. There are a very few exceptions (normally to do with verically centering text).
For me the main factor which limits my designs is a reluctance to use huge background images. If an effect can't be done by combining/repeating a few tiny bg images I tend to reject or tweak it. Eg a diagonal gradient on a box with curved corners which could be any height might fall into this category using CSS2.1
Almost every painter limits themselves to paint on canvas, almost every sculptor makes 3D shapes from stone or clay or metal...
But there's also the few who dream new dreams and create new things. Some flop, some shine.
Should you limit yourself based on what CSS can do with layouts? Not completely. I say dream big.
Once you've got your dream design, either figure out how to create it, find a technology other than CSS that can do it, or go start inventing!
You can do absolutely almost anything using CSS 2.1 as far as layout. Its a complete pain in the ass that has no reason to ever exist, but you can do rounded corners (using background images), gradient backgrounds (more background images) and all kinds of other bloated crap you don't need all together and still not completely destroy the semantics of your HTML.
Doing all that garbage and still attempting to be standards compliant reduces usability, because its the designers who need round corners and other frivolous crap and not the users. Usability tests have confirmed this. Sites that are bloated to accommodate presentation and usability at the cost of semantics and efficient fail in usability tests compared to their competition. I work for a website that gets several million visitors a day and I have seen the results of our usability tests.
CSS provides a very good way to create an overall design that easily can be changed by small changes in one CSS file, and instantly applies the design changes to all your pages. Of course there are things that are tricky to do with CSS, and in those cases you might want to do it in other ways, but even if your layout is mainly based on CSS, doesn't mean that you can't do some special parts using other technology! You can mix!
So you don't limit yourself when you go for CSS. You just make use of a powerful technology that can be used in perfect harmony along with others!
Im working on some web software that has 2 style sheets one for style (style.css) and one for layout (layout.css). Im wondering what the poing in this is (apart from the obvious) I mean some style options will effect the layout and vice versa. So would it be better to roll all css into on page to make it easier? Maintining multiple stylesheets seems very tedious.
Anybody got an opinion on this and best practice?
Cheers
PQ
I could see this being useful in situations where you want to have multiple styles whilst keeping the same layout. For instance, if you wanted to change the colour scheme at the click of a button.
I don't think I'd use it in any other situation, as by doing so you would be duplicating classes to set different styles and increasing your workload for something that's not really beneficial.
I personally like to separate style and layout in different CSS-files as you can have the same layout with different style (and vice versa) this way. Think of having a multi-client system and each customer wants a different style while the layout stays unchanged. Have those two files merged into one will create unnecessary overhead.
i think the choice depends on personal preference and on the size of the project.
when i'm working on bigger projects with other developers, i prefer to keep the styles in a separate stylesheet primarily because you can 'give' one stylesheet to the other developer and work on another and not worry about someone overwriting your styles.
the disadvantage of this is that multiple styles might appear in different stylesheets. what we generally do is have separate stylesheets for the main layout and the various sections, so the styles for the dynamic part can be edited easily without scrolling through a 3000 line stylesheet.
I do this in a simple CMS system I wrote so that I can change the style and layout independently of one another. This means I can write a new stylesheet for layout and use it in conjunction with all existing 'styles' for (in theory) no extra effort. However, sometimes it takes a bit of work to make all combinations of style and layout work properly together.
Personally, I think its a nice thing to be able to do and would keep it as it is in your system.
I guess that the idea is that you could create a new color theme by only switching the style stylesheet. If you are careful about what you put in each style sheet, it's definitely possible to use it that way.
It might have an application in some rare cases, but generally it will just make it harder to work with the CSS. I have tried this for a site where we have multiple themes, but I ended up merging the stylesheets again after all.
I have just finished building a heavyweight long sales page, with a lot of elements and varying styles on the page.The CSS has ended up being over specific with its selectors, and there are numerous rounded boxes, background images etc. In short, the CSS is a bit of a mess. (only myself to blame!)
Can anyone suggest a method of going through this stylesheet methodically, in an effort to combine my duplicate properties etc? I doubt there are any tools to do this for me, but I'm wondering how others deal with this situation?
Thanks.
There are in fact some CSS Refactoring tools, which were covered on SO pretty well.
I can't vouch for them, though, since I always refactor by hand. My technique is to separate existing styles into:
Layout
Typography
Colors (Look & Feel)
Hacks
That's usually a quick copy & paste job. From there, similarities and redundancies are a lot more apparent, so combining and simplifying gets much easier.
With that done, having a TOC at the top of the page makes your sections easy to find, and generally easier to search.
Combine CSS to their shorthand properties if possible.
Take advantage of unique dom ids to apply styles to the children of that element.
You can use multiple CSS classes on the same element, for example class="somestyle some-other-style". Using this you can take duplicated CSS styles and define them in one.
Use the * selector to apply styles to all the children.
If its all in one big CSS file, split the code into sections where the styles are relevent to the pages across your site, i.e /* MEMBERS PAGE */
Run the style through an online compressor to reduce code size. Some even combine elements automatically for you, further adding less complexity.
That should get you started. It's hard to add further, it really depends on how your html code and structure is set out. If you could provide an idea we could assist further.