After knowing about some great features of WebRTC, I thought of using WebRTC one to one audio/video calls in my web application. The web application is for many organizations/entities of a category who can register and keep recording several records daily for their internal working and about their clients. The clients of these individual organizations/entities also have access to the web application to access their details.
The purpose of using WebRTC is for communication between clients and organizations. Also for daily inquires by new people to these organizations about products and services.
While going through articles on google etc. I found broadcasting or one to many calls requires very high bandwidth to users if we don't make use of Media Server.
So what is the case for one to one calls?
Will it affect the performance of web application or bring any critical situation if several users are making audio/video calls(one to one) to each other simultaneously as a routine?
The number of users will be very large and users will be recording daily several entries as their routine work. But still it is manageable and application will be running smoothly but I am not sure about the new concept WebRTC. Will it require a very high hosting plan? Is using WebRTC for current scenario suitable or advisable?
WebRTC by its nature is Peer-to-Peer. Meaning that the streaming data is handled CLIENT side. All decoding, encoding, ICE candidate gathering/negotiation, and media encrypting/transmitting will happen on the client side and not on server side. So, you will be providing the pages, client side JS, and some data exchange(session negotiation signalling) but all in all, it is not a huge amount of work. It should be easily handled without having to worry about your host machine being over worked.
All that said, here are the only a performance concerns that would POSSIBLY affect your hosting server.
Signalling session startup, negotiations, and tare down. This is very minimal(only some json data at the beginning of a session). This should not be too much of a burden but you should be aware that if 1000 sessions start at the same time, you will have a queue of messages to direct to the needed parties. How you determine the parties, forward the messages, and what work you do server side could all affect performance. If written smartly(how to store sessions, how to forward messages, etc.) should not be a terrible burden.This could easily done with SignalR since you are on ASP.NET or you could use a separate one running Node.js(or the same box, does not matter) if you so desired.
RTP TURN relay if needed. This will probably be through a different server(or the same one as your hosting server if you want). For SOME connections, a TURN server is needed and any production ready WebRTC solution should take this into account. Here is a good open source turn server. Bandwidth usage here could be very high as RTP packets are sent to this server and the forwarded to the peer in the connection.
If you are recording the streams, you may have increased hosting traffic depending on how you implement it. Firefox supports client side recording of the streams but Chrome does not(they say it is in the works currently). You could use existing JS libraries to record the feeds client side and then push them anywhere you want. You could also push all the data through a MediaServer that will mux, demux, and forward the data to be recorded anywhere you like. Janus-Gateway videoroom is a good lightweight example of a mediaserver.
Client side is a different story.
There are higher level concerns in the Javascript. If you use one of the recording JS libraries, this is especially evident as they do canvas captures numerous times a second which are a heavy hit and would degrade the user experience.
CPU utilization by the browser will increase as the quality of the video being streamed increases. This is rather obvious as HD video frames take more CPU power to encode/decode than SD frames.
Client side bandwidth usage can also be an issue. Chrome and Firefox try to modify the bitrate of each video/audio feed dynamically but the video Bitrate can go all the way up to 2 Mbps. You can cap this in Chrome( by adding an attribute in the SDP) but not in Firefox(last I checked) as of yet.
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I have a client with a 1-2 thousand viewer audience, with everyday streams, same concurrent number of viewers.
Ive got a server set up for their website etc, but am in the process of figuring out the best way to stream with OBS onto that server, and than re-distribute that stream to clients (as an embed on the website).
Now from the calculations i did, running that kind of concurrent viewers is very problematic, as it forces you into a 10gbit link - which is very expensive, and i would ideally like to fit within 1-2gbps, if possible.
A friend of mine recommended to look into "Multicast" which supossedly uses MUCH less bandwith than regular live streaming options. Is multicast doable? Ive had a NGINX live stream set up on my server by a friend before, but never looked into the config and if multicast is supported within that. Are there any other options? What would you recommend?
Also, the service of that live stream isnt a high profit / organisation type of deal, so any pre-made services just dont make sense, as it would easily cost 40+ dollars per stream, which is just too much for my client.
Thank you for any help!
Tom
Rather than Multicast, P2P is more practical solution on Internet, to save money not bandwidth.
Especially for H5 browser, it's possible to use WebRTC DataChannel to transport P2P data.
But Multicast does not work on internet routers.
Multicast works by sending a single stream across the network to edge points where clients can 'join' the multicast to get an individual stream for them.
It requires that the network supports multicast protocols and the edges align with your users.
It is typically used when an operator has their own IP network for service like IPTV, rather than for services over the internet.
For your scenario, you would usually use an organ server and a CDN - this will usually reduce the load on your own server as the video will be cached on the network and multiple user can access the same 'chunks' of the video.
You can see and AWS example for on demand video here - other vendor and cloud providers have solutions too so this is just an example:
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/userguide/tutorial-s3-cloudfront-route53-video-streaming.html
You can find more complex On Demand and Live tutorial also but they are likley more that you need: https://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/streaming/
Exploring P2P may be an option also as Winton suggests - some CDN may also leverage P2P technology internally.
I want to fetch the data of a stock. Since the data changes very fast, is there any way to pull the data like 50-100 times a second from trading websites?
And can we implement that using a raspberry Pi 4 8gig model.
RasPi4 should be more than adequate for this task. Both the ethernet and WiFi hardware is capable of connections at these speeds. (Unless you’re running a bunch of other stuff on it.) Consider where your bottlenecks may be, likely ISP or other network traffic). Consider avoiding WiFi in favor of cat5e or cat6. Consider hanging this device off your router (edge) to keep lan traffic lower and consider QOS settings if you think this traffic may compete with other lan traffic.
This appears to be a general question with no specific platform in mind. For stocks, there are lots of platforms to choose from.
APIs for trading platforms often include a method to open a stream. Instead of a full TCP conversation for each price check, a stream tells the server to just keep on sending data. There are timeout mechanisms of course, but it is good to close that stream gracefully (It’s polite since you’re consuming server resources at a different scale. I’ve seen some financial APIs monitor and throttle stream subscribers who leave sessions open.).
For some APIs/languages you can find solid classes already built on GitHub. Although, if simply pulling and reading a stream then the platform API doc code snippets should be enough to get you going.
Be sure to find out what other overhead may be implicated. For example, if an account or API key is needed to open a stream then either a session must be opened first or the creds must be passed with the stream being opened. The API docs will say. If you’re new to this sort of thing, just be a detective and try to infer what is needed. API docs usually try to be precise and technically correct with the absolute minimum word count.
Simply checking the steam should be easy. Depending on how that steam can be handled by your code/script, it may be harder to perform logic on the stream while it is being updated. That’s usually a thread issue or a variable scope issue depending on the script/code. For what you’re doing I would consider Python or PowerShell depending on your skill-set and other design parameters.
Consider a web application such as Google Chat, where the servers serve hundreds of millions of clients simultaneously. In such application, the servers have to push notifications to clients at near real time (in the chat example - incoming messages, presence notification etc.).
How do they implement it? Significant part of the clients are browser based. I suppose polling would overload even Google's servers. So, are they using something like Comet? If so - do they need to allocate a server for every 65536 clients (maximum TCP connections per machine)? I understand that there is a way to circumstance this limitation but I don't know how it's implemented.
Chat is not handled by single application / hardware / instance.
They definitely using many instances with load balancing that allows to scale chat system horizontally. It might be dedicated for regions or just single clustered system (I believe it is dedicated within regions but still clustered within region).
As well you can have as many connections as hardware and network will handle but not 64k.
Because 64k (actually less then that) is regarding Binding sockets (server sockets, but not client ones).
In case with google and based on supported browsers, they definitely use mixed technologies to communicate selecting the most powerful based on browser support. That can be long-polling, sockets and even oldest one: simple ajax.
As well for example facebook chat is based on erlang. And using erlang there is many examples having more then million connections.
I don't know how Google handle this, ans they probably won't tell us. But, today you can deal with http streaming, websockets or long polling to build such application. To give you an example Atmosphere framework
is a tool to build "real-time", efficient and scalable web application.
I would like to create a browser-based network game. To ensure it can be used by as many people as possible, I'd like to embed all the traffic in standard HTTP packages.
Assuming I use IIS as my back end, how should I code this to minimize latency?
Is it reasonable to start with an ASP application of some kind (ASP.NET MVC perhaps) using shared state in memory? Or should I plan from the outset on writing some kind of IIS plugin of my own? Or should I abandon IIS and write a custom server instead?
Is it reasonable to start with each client repeatedly querying, say ten times per second, or should I make the data more stream-like somehow (and if so how)?
This can work just fine, but you're going to have to do something less "conventional."
To make this work, don't do individual requests, keep the request open and then transmit data with the open connection.
You could try using a protocol like Bayeux, but there are no rules here.
Here's an example with ASP.NET using COMET.
Designing an app to hit a web server 10 times a second is not a good idea. Web servers are designed for less frequent client requests and probably larger processing times and reponse sizes than your game will be using. That's not to say a web server wouldn't be able to cope just that it would not be an efficient client-server match.
For any type of app that requires multiple packets per second you really should think about a lighter protocol than HTTP which is fairly verbose. For example if your game needs to send 4 bytes to register a user's battleship co-ordinates you don't really want to transmit an extra few hundred bytes of HTTP headers.
I'd recommend a browser plugin technology like Siverlight of Flash. Both of those support TCP socket connections. You would need to write your own server to sit at the other end of the TCP socket. With that approach you'd also have the advantage of being able to push data out to the clients without having to rely on client polling mechanisms which are required with HTTP, e.g. AJAX.
One problem you will face with standard HTTP messages is the size (and lack of control) over the header data.
I was involved in the design of a flash game which was played by several million people. We needed to communicate with the server every few seconds and ended up using ultra-lightweight JSON messages to save on bandwidth and keep it snappy.
Size of JSON message: 16 bytes
Size of HTTP Header: 200+ bytes
HTTP is not really a good protocol for high traffic, low latency requirements. It was designed for larger, less frequent request/response models and has status codes like 304 Not Modified for this very reason.
You'll probably want to drop down to a custom TCP/IP implementation.
I'm developing a multi-player game and I know nothing about how to connect from one client to another via a server. Where do I start? Are there any whizzy open source projects which provide the communication framework into which I can drop my message data or do I have to write a load of complicated multi-threaded sockety code? Does the picture change at all if teh clients are running on phones?
I am language agnostic, although ideally I would have a Flash or Qt front end and a Java server, but that may be being a bit greedy.
I have spent a few hours googling, but the whole topic is new to me and I'm a bit lost. I'd appreciate help of any kind - including how to tag this question.
If latency isn't a huge issue, you could just implement a few web services to do message passing. This would not be a slow as you might think, and is easy to implement across languages. The downside is the client has to poll the server to get updates. so you could be looking at a few hundred ms to get from one client to another.
You can also use the built in flex messaging interface. There are provisions there to allow client to client interactions.
Typically game engines send UDP packets because of latency. The fact is that TCP is just not fast enough and reliability is less of a concern than speed is.
Web services would compound the latency issues inherent in TCP due to additional overhead. Further, they would eat up memory depending on number of expected players. Finally, they have a large amount of payload overhead that you just don't need (xml anyone?).
There are several ways to go about this. One way is centralized messaging (client/server). This means that you would have a java server listening for udp packets from the clients. It would then rebroadcast them to any of the relevant users.
A second way is decentralized (peer to peer). A client registers with the server to state what game / world it's in. From that it gets a list of other clients in that world. The server maintains that list and notifies the other clients of people who join / drop out.
From that point forward clients broadcast udp packets directly to the other users.
If you look for communication framework with high performance try look at ACE C++ framework (it has Java bindings).
Official web-site is: http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE-overview.html
You could also look into Flash Media Interactive Server, or if you want a Java implementation, Wowsa or Red5. Those use AMF and provide native functionality for ShareObjects including synching of the ShareObjects among connected clients.
Those aren't peer to peer though (yet, it's coming soon I hear). They use centralized messaging managed by the server.
Good luck