Is recursion a feature in and of itself? - recursion

Question

...or is it just a practice?
I'm asking this because of an argument with my professor: I lost credit for calling a function recursively on the basis that we did not cover recursion in class, and my argument is that we learned it implicitly by learning return and methods.
I'm asking here because I suspect someone has a definitive answer.
For example, what is the difference between the following two methods:
public static void a() {
return a();
}
public static void b() {
return a();
}
Other than "a continues forever" (in the actual program it is used correctly to prompt a user again when provided with invalid input), is there any fundamental difference between a and b? To an un-optimized compiler, how are they handled differently?
Ultimately it comes down to whether by learning to return a() from b that we therefor also learned to return a() from a. Did we?

Answer 1

To answer your specific question: No, from the standpoint of learning a language, recursion isn't a feature. If your professor really docked you marks for using a "feature" he hadn't taught yet, that was wrong.
Reading between the lines, one possibility is that by using recursion, you avoided ever using a feature that was supposed to be a learning outcome for his course. For example, maybe you didn't use iteration at all, or maybe you only used for loops instead of using both for and while. It's common that an assignment aims to test your ability to do certain things, and if you avoid doing them, your professor simply can't grant you the marks set aside for that feature. However, if that really was the cause of your lost marks, the professor should take this as a learning experience of his or her own- if demonstrating certain learning outcomes is one of the criteria for an assignment, that should be clearly explained to the students.
Having said that, I agree with most of the other comments and answers that iteration is a better choice than recursion here. There are a couple of reasons, and while other people have touched on them to some extent, I'm not sure they've fully explained the thought behind them.
Stack Overflows
The more obvious one is that you risk getting a stack overflow error. Realistically, the method you wrote is very unlikely to actually lead to one, since a user would have to give incorrect input many many times to actually trigger a stack overflow.
However, one thing to keep in mind is that not just the method itself, but other methods higher or lower in the call chain will be on the stack. Because of this, casually gobbling up available stack space is a pretty impolite thing for any method to do. Nobody wants to have to constantly worry about free stack space whenever they write code because of the risk that other code might have needlessly used a lot of it up.
This is part of a more general principle in software design called abstraction. Essentially, when you call DoThing(), all you should need to care about is that Thing is done. You shouldn't have to worry about the implementation details of how it's done. But greedy use of the stack breaks this principle, because every bit of code has to worry about how much stack it can safely assume it has left to it by code elsewhere in the call chain.
Readability
The other reason is readability. The ideal that code should aspire to is to be a human-readable document, where each line describes simply what it's doing. Take these two approaches:
private int getInput() {
int input;
do {
input = promptForInput();
} while (!inputIsValid(input))
return input;
}
versus
private int getInput() {
int input = promptForInput();
if(inputIsValid(input)) {
return input;
}
return getInput();
}
Yes, these both work, and yes they're both pretty easy to understand. But how might the two approaches be described in English? I think it'd be something like:
I will prompt for input until the input is valid, and then return it
versus
I will prompt for input, then if the input is valid I will return it, otherwise I get the input and return the result of that instead
Perhaps you can think of slightly less clunky wording for the latter, but I think you'll always find that the first one is going to be a more accurate description, conceptually, of what you are actually trying to do. This isn't to say recursion is always less readable. For situations where it shines, like tree traversal, you could do the same kind of side by side analysis between recursion and another approach and you'd almost certainly find recursion gives code which is more clearly self-describing, line by line.
In isolation, both of these are small points. It's very unlikely this would ever really lead to a stack overflow, and the gain in readability is minor. But any program is going to be a collection of many of these small decisions, so even if in isolation they don't matter much, it's important to learn the principles behind getting them right.

Answer 2

To answer the literal question, rather than the meta-question: recursion is a feature, in the sense that not all compilers and/or languages necessarily permit it. In practice, it is expected of all (ordinary) modern compilers - and certainly all Java compilers! - but it is not universally true.
As a contrived example of why recursion might not be supported, consider a compiler that stores the return address for a function in a static location; this might be the case, for example, for a compiler for a microprocessor that does not have a stack.
For such a compiler, when you call a function like this
a();
it is implemented as
move the address of label 1 to variable return_from_a
jump to label function_a
label 1
and the definition of a(),
function a()
{
var1 = 5;
return;
}
is implemented as
label function_a
move 5 to variable var1
jump to the address stored in variable return_from_a
Hopefully the problem when you try to call a() recursively in such a compiler is obvious; the compiler no longer knows how to return from the outer call, because the return address has been overwritten.
For the compiler I actually used (late 70s or early 80s, I think) with no support for recursion the problem was slightly more subtle than that: the return address would be stored on the stack, just like in modern compilers, but local variables weren't. (Theoretically this should mean that recursion was possible for functions with no non-static local variables, but I don't remember whether the compiler explicitly supported that or not. It may have needed implicit local variables for some reason.)
Looking forwards, I can imagine specialized scenarios - heavily parallel systems, perhaps - where not having to provide a stack for every thread could be advantageous, and where therefore recursion is only permitted if the compiler can refactor it into a loop. (Of course the primitive compilers I discuss above were not capable of complicated tasks like refactoring code.)

Answer 3

The teacher wants to know whether you have studied or not. Apparently you didn't solve the problem the way he taught you (the good way; iteration), and thus, considers that you didn't. I'm all for creative solutions but in this case I have to agree with your teacher for a different reason: If the user provides invalid input too many times (i.e. by keeping enter pressed), you'll have a stack overflow exception and your solution will crash. In addition, the iterative solution is more efficient and easier to maintain. I think that's the reason your teacher should have given you.

Answer 4

Deducting points because "we didn't cover recursion in class" is awful. If you learnt how to call function A which calls function B which calls function C which returns back to B which returns back to A which returns back to the caller, and the teacher didn't tell you explicitly that these must be different functions (which would be the case in old FORTRAN versions, for example), there is no reason that A, B and C cannot all be the same function.
On the other hand, we'd have to see the actual code to decide whether in your particular case using recursion is really the right thing to do. There are not many details, but it does sound wrong.

Answer 5

There are many point of views to look at regarding the specific question you asked but what I can say is that from the standpoint of learning a language, recursion isn't a feature on its own. If your professor really docked you marks for using a "feature" he hadn't taught yet, that was wrong but like I said, there are other point of views to consider here which actually make the professor being right when deducting points.
From what I can deduce from your question, using a recursive function to ask for input in case of input failure is not a good practice since every recursive functions' call gets pushed on to the stack. Since this recursion is driven by user input it is possible to have an infinite recursive function and thus resulting in a StackOverflow.
There is no difference between these 2 examples you mentioned in your question in the sense of what they do (but do differ in other ways)- In both cases, a return address and all method info is being loaded to the stack. In a recursion case, the return address is simply the line right after the method calling (of course its not exactly what you see in the code itself, but rather in the code the compiler created). In Java, C, and Python, recursion is fairly expensive compared to iteration (in general) because it requires the allocation of a new stack frame. Not to mention you can get a stack overflow exception if the input is not valid too many times.
I believe the professor deducted points since recursion is considered a subject of its own and its unlikely that someone with no programming experience would think of recursion. (Of course it doesn't mean they won't, but it's unlikely).
IMHO, I think the professor is right by deducting you the points. You could have easily taken the validation part to a different method and use it like this:
public bool foo()
{
validInput = GetInput();
while(!validInput)
{
MessageBox.Show("Wrong Input, please try again!");
validInput = GetInput();
}
return hasWon(x, y, piece);
}
If what you did can indeed be solved in that manner then what you did was a bad practice and should be avoided.

Answer 6

Maybe your professor hasn't taught it yet, but it sounds like you're ready to learn the advantages and disadvantages of recursion.
The main advantage of recursion is that recursive algorithms are often much easier and quicker to write.
The main disadvantage of recursion is that recursive algorithms can cause stack overflows, since each level of recursion requires an additional stack frame to be added to the stack.
For production code, where scaling can result in many more levels of recursion in production than in the programmer's unit tests, the disadvantage usually outweighs the advantage, and recursive code is often avoided when practical.

Answer 7

Regarding the specific question, is recursion a feature, I'm inclined to say yes, but after re-interpreting the question. There are common design choices of languages and compilers that make recursion possible, and Turing-complete languages do exist that don't allow recursion at all. In other words, recursion is an ability that is enabled by certain choices in language/compiler design.
Supporting first-class functions makes recursion possible under very minimal assumptions; see writing loops in Unlambda for an example, or this obtuse Python expression containing no self-references, loops or assignments:
>>> map((lambda x: lambda f: x(lambda g: f(lambda v: g(g)(v))))(
... lambda c: c(c))(lambda R: lambda n: 1 if n < 2 else n * R(n - 1)),
... xrange(10))
[1, 1, 2, 6, 24, 120, 720, 5040, 40320, 362880]
Languages/compilers that use late binding, or that define forward declarations, make recursion possible. For example, while Python allows the below code, that's a design choice (late binding), not a requirement for a Turing-complete system. Mutually recursive functions often depend on support for forward declarations.
factorial = lambda n: 1 if n < 2 else n * factorial(n-1)
Statically typed languages that allow recursively defined types contribute to enabling recursion. See this implementation of the Y Combinator in Go. Without recursively-defined types, it would still be possible to use recursion in Go, but I believe the Y combinator specifically would be impossible.

Answer 8

From what I can deduce from your question, using a recursive function to ask for input in case of input failure is not a good practice. Why?
Because every recursive functions call gets pushed on to the stack. Since this recursion is driven by user input it is possible to have an infinite recursive function and thus resulting in a StackOverflow :-p
Having a non recursive loop to do this is the way to go.

Answer 9

Recursion is a programming concept, a feature (like iteration), and a practice. As you can see from the link, there's a large domain of research dedicated to the subject. Perhaps we don't need to go that deep in the topic to understand these points.
Recursion as a feature
In plain terms, Java supports it implicitly, because it allows a method (which is basically a special function) to have "knowledge" of itself and of others methods composing the class it belongs to. Consider a language where this is not the case: you would be able to write the body of that method a, but you wouldn't be able to include a call to a within it. The only solution would be to use iteration to obtain the same result. In such a language, you would have to make a distinction between functions aware of their own existence (by using a specific syntax token), and those who don't! Actually, a whole group of languages do make that distinction (see the Lisp and ML families for instance). Interestingly, Perl does even allow anonymous functions (so called lambdas) to call themselves recursively (again, with a dedicated syntax).
no recursion?
For languages which don't even support the possibility of recursion, there is often another solution, in the form of the Fixed-point combinator, but it still requires the language to support functions as so called first class objects (i.e. objects which may be manipulated within the language itself).
Recursion as a practice
Having that feature available in a language doesn't necessary mean that it is idiomatic. In Java 8, lambda expressions have been included, so it might become easier to adopt a functional approach to programming. However, there are practical considerations:
the syntax is still not very recursion friendly
compilers may not be able to detect that practice and optimize it
The bottom line
Luckily (or more accurately, for ease of use), Java does let methods be aware of themselves by default, and thus support recursion, so this isn't really a practical problem, but it still remain a theoretical one, and I suppose that your teacher wanted to address it specifically. Besides, in the light of the recent evolution of the language, it might turn into something important in the future.