Can a computer with an IP address of class C like 192.168.0.1 and subnet mask 255.255.255.0 communicate and share resources with another computer having the IP 192.168.1.1 and the same subnet mask 255.255.255.0 ? I'm asking this because the first 3 octets in this case tell us that these IPs are running on different networks (network 192.168.0.0 and network 192.168.1.0).
Also, does "network" mean the same thing as "subnetwork" (or "subnet") in this context?
Thank you!
To fully understand how computer networks work, you need to take a look at OSI model (or in practice - TCP/IP or DoD model. For your question you need to look at first three layers: physical, data link and network.
Physical connection is self explanatory, and represents direct connection via some medium (copper, glass, air).
When a host A tries to send a packet to host B first thing it will do is look at the destination IP address and based on it's own IP configuration determine if host B is in the same subnet as a host A. This is done as Eugen Rieck explained to you already: subnet mask bits are used to mask the bits of the IP address (logical AND operation). Now, we have two cases:
Host A and B are in the same subnet.
Host A and B are not in the same subnet.
You should note that on layer 2, which network adapters use to send and receive frames, there is no IP addresses (which are present on layer 3) but instead the communication between devices is done by using MAC addresses. Because of that, host can directly communicate only with hosts in their subnet (1st scenario). For sending a frame host A needs the MAC address of host B. So host A first looks up the MAC address mapped to the IP address of host B in his ARP table. If he can't find it, it sends broadcast ARP request asking all host on the subnet who has that specific IP. If he gets a response it adds the MAC address of the host he got the reply from and builds a packet with destination MAC address of that host and IP address of that host.
If both hosts are not in the same subnet (2nd scenario) the packet is sent to default gateway which is responsible for finding a route to the destination. The crucial point to make here is that even if the destination MAC address in this case is the MAC address of the router (default gateway), the destination IP address is still the IP address of host B as in the first scenario. As the packet flows from router to router the source and destination MAC addresses will change, as they are locally significant, but the source and destination IP address will stay the same. This is how every layer provides a service (so to speak) to upper layers, and upper layers use it transparently without needing to know what is happening below.
So you have:
1st scenario.
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L2:
Src MAC: host A
Dst MAC: host B
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L3:
Src IP: host A
Dst IP: host B
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2nd scenario:
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L2:
Src MAC: host A
Dst MAC: router
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L3:
Src IP: host A
Dst IP: host B
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To sum it up (the answer #Eugen Rieck already gave you):
Two hosts which are not in the same subnet as in your example (192.168.0.1/24 and 192.168.1.1/24) will not be able to communicate on layer 2, and will require a L3 capable device such as router to act as a default gateway and to route the traffic between two networks (broadcast domains) for layer 3 connectivity.
Yes and no:
Yes: Those two computers can communicate, if there is a (properly set up) router in between and both sides have knowledge of it.
No: Those two computers can not communicate, if simply wired to the same dumb switch.
Rule of thumb: IP & SNM must be identical for all participants to allow direct communication.
You'd need to change the subnet mask to 255.255.254.0, or use a router or layer-3 switch to communicate.
Network generally means the whole network you're referring to, while subnet refers to a specific separate portion of it. However, the terminology is pretty loose.
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I am a student learning computer network.
Here's how my network look like:
Router(NAT)
/ \
My PC My iPad
I have looked up my computer's routing table, and it shows the following:
$ netstat -r
Routing tables
Internet:
Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire
default 172.22.128.1 UGScg en0
127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH lo0
172.22.128.1 0:74:9c:96:72:55 UHLWIir en0 1200
172.22.161.13 ba:2e:b1:6f:69:39 UHLWI en0 740
I confirmed that the ip 172.22.161.13's gateway ba:2e:b1:6f:69:39 is the MAC address of my iPad.
I have a few doubts:
Shouldn't the routing table records ip address of next hop? how can it store a MAC address?
If the command netstat -r also lookups the arp table, how should it send packets to my iPad without going through the router?
The issue here is understanding the functionality of layer 2 and layer 3 in a network.
There is a difference between forwarding packets to the device located on the same subnet and on the device located on the different subnet.
I don't think there is a better definition of subnet, than devices that can communicate via a layer 2 protocol with each other. Routers are used to forward packets between devices in different subnets, that is, two devices in the same subnet do not communicate over the router, at least not over the "router" part of the router.
Devices that are located in the same subnet should be assigned the same IP prefix (i.e., the bits covered by network mask are the same). "Should" means that if it is not the case, then your network is configured wrong and may not work properly. This way your PC and your IPad can determine that they are on the same subnet and do not need to go over their default gateway.
Since your PC and your IPad are on the same subnet, they will talk to each other using layer 2. I am not sure from your configuration how many interfaces are actually wireless. If both interfaces are wireless, they may actually be capable of talking directly (i am not sure if wifi protocol in AP mode allows it, i think it does). If your PC is connected over Ethernet, then your Router also acts as a switch/bridge (which is layer 2 device) and forwards packets according to ethernet specification. You can learn about it by googling MAC learning.
This should answer the second question, now to the first one.
Actually, I wonder why the table is storing IP addresses. IP address of the next hop is not used in forwarding. First, note, that communication between devices which are two hops from layer 3 (i.e., routers) standpoint happens using layer 2. When a device makes routing decision, in takes the destination address from the IP header and looks up next hop, where what the device needs is a) outgoing interface b) how to reach next hop using layer 2 protocol of the interface. Then the device constructs an appropriate layer 2 header and sends the packet to the next hop device, which more or less does the same. So, actually your PC needs mac address of your router's interface to which it is connected to send the packet somewhere outside of the subnet.
What is Difference between IP address and Port Number in Networking?
IP address is address of the system in the Network.
Port is address of the service within the System.
So IP address + Port defines address of the particular service on the particular system.
Think about how many application layer protocols exist (HTTP, FTP,DNS, SSH, etc). Now think about how many task/process/programs exist within your device trying to communicate over the internet. Would it be possible just one address, the IP address, to be able to handle all these different assignments and types of protocols alone? The answer is no.
The IP address is a numerical label assigned to each device connected to a computer network that uses the Internet Protocol for communication. The port number is used so the data is directed to the correct location within this device.
The IP and the port number form the structure IP:port number, 192.168.1.1:8080 for example, and the port number can hold 65536 numbers, with the following division:
0 to 1023 - Well known port numbers. Only special companies like Apple QuickTime, MSN, SQL Services, Gopher Services and other prominent services have these port numbers.
1024 to 49151 - Registered ports; meaning they can be registered to specific protocols by software corporations.
49152 to 65536 - Dynamic or private ports; meaning that they can be used by just about anybody.
IP address is use to identify a host or a group of hosts in a network
while port number is used to identify a particular service running in a host
Port number is used to identify an application/services which you want to talk to on your system. Some predefined ports like 80 = HTTP server, 23 = Telnet.
You identify a host uniquely (globally) by its IP address. So if I ever wanted to access your laptop via telnet then I'd use the IP address given to you by your ISP and the port 23
A MAC address is a layer-2 address. It is used by some layer-2 protocols, e.g. ethernet and Wi-Fi. There are 48-bit and 64-bit MAC addresses. Some layer-2 protocols use different addressing.
An IP address is the address of the layer-3 IP protocol. Different layer-3 protocols use different addressing, e.g. IPv4, IPX, and IPv6 each have different addressing.
A port number is a layer-4 address used by some layer-4 protocols, e.g. TCP and UDP. Some layer-4 protocols use different addressing, or none at all.
TCP example: RFC 793, TRANSMISSION CONTROL PROTOCOL
Multiplexing:
To allow for many processes within a single Host to use TCP
communication facilities simultaneously, the TCP provides a set of
addresses or ports within each host. Concatenated with the network
and host addresses from the internet communication layer, this forms a
socket. A pair of sockets uniquely identifies each connection. That
is, a socket may be simultaneously used in multiple connections.
You may want to learn more about the network layers.
Simply:
A socket is like a telephone (i.e. end to end device for communication)
IP is like your telephone number (i.e. address of your socket)
Port is like the person you want to talk to (i.e. the service you want to order from that address)
In networking, generally a socket is (IP+Port)
IP address: Ip address is a address of your system, it assign when your system connects to internet.There are two types of ip address available here among first one is dynamic which invokes at your system in online. Second one is static, which assign when your system get in offline.
port address Port address is an Id of server such as your using apache server that get port number default 8080 is id of apache server,If you can change server port number.
IP address is your system domain name or socket address of specific system like 192.168.0.1
but the port number is the number of specific location or folder where to you want to write your file or any file transfer like: 3308
The IP address of your computer (host) is the mix of the network ID of the ISP/any other provider (uniquely provided by the ICANN group) and the host name (provided by the Network administrator). The Network ID is unique for all the network and among two networks, we can have same host names but on the same network, the host names can not be the same. So, this is how the host can be identified on the network and data can be transferred. But on the same host multiple applications will be running and once the data reach to the host, we need an identifier to recognize which application data is this TCP Segment/UDP datagram.
The Port number is 16 bits (possibly 65K application can run) and assigned by the Network operating system when the application process creates the sockets. On the Server side, the port numbers are well defined numbers (HTTP- Port #80, SMTP- Port#25). The port number is transport layer addressing (L4) and goes in the header of TCP/UDP.
Only two hosts are available with IP addresses
192.168.1.2
and
192.168.1.3
What will be the routing table entries, if one has to setup?
What will be the Next Hop if only one interface is there on each machine.
Data can be transferred to and from both the machines.
Basically, my doubt is what will be the next hop in each case
If the packet has to be delivered to some other network (then i think it will be the IP address of the router connecting to it)
If the packet has to be delivered locally (same subnet) what should be the next hop IP
If the packet has arrived on the host, and it has to be given to upper layers (since it has to see once the routing table, what will be the entries in this case)
All entries in the routing table are static.
Thanks
If you have the standard network mask of 255.255.255.0 for those IP addresses, then no you don't need a routing table, or a default gateway since both machines are in the same network.
A routing table is basically a set of directions for how to get to another network. It says that if you want to go to 12.34.56.78 then go out of x network card, and to go 192.168.1.x (presuming you are on the 192.168.1.0 network)
A default network basically says if you're not on this network, and there's not a more precise route i.e. 12.34.56.78 above. then just go through a particular network address.
A local network works through broadcasting, machine A will send a broadcast packet to MAC (hardward) address FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF which will be accepted by all traffic on the network. (that isn't separated by a router). The broadcast packet basically says 'who owns IP Address x.x.x.x'
When the machine that owns that address receives that packet it sends a reply back saying 'I do'
Machine A can then start sending packets directly to MAC address of that machine, and Machine can reply to the MAC address that sent them.
From this you can understand why routing becomes important, once you start having a large number of hosts on the network, the network can become flooded just from the sheer volume of ARP requests that are bouncing around it. By splitting the address space into separate address blocks you can limit the number of hosts, and number of ARP requests that the network needs to broadcast.
To understand how this works at a lower level, you need to understand how IP addresses and subnet masks are used to determine network membership. Internally an IP Address and network mask are represented as binary numbers. The subnet mask will define the split between the network and the subnet. (it uses a Logical AND obtain the network id)
Address: 11000000 10101000 00000010 00000010
Subnet Mask: 11111111 11111111 11111111 00000000
Once it has the network id it can compare that to the address it is trying to send (using the same logic) to and determine what to do with it.
The logic for that goes something like this
If a packet's Network id matches a local network id send it directly, without routing.
If a packet's network id matches a specific route in a routing table. for instance if the packet is 10.1.1.1, and there is a route for 10.1.0.0/255.255.0.0 then forward the packet to the route marked in that routing entry.
If a packet's network id doesn't match a specific route, and there is a default gateway specified, then forward it there.
If there is no specific route, and no default gateway, return a failed send.
P.S. this is very simplified, in reality there are additional nuances!
I recently found that packets are encapsulated within ethernet frames. Packets use IP addresses, frames use MAC addresses.
Why aren't IP addresses used in ethernet frames for routing? I understand that when trying to access a basic website, the computer goes to a DNS to find the IP address relevant to the user-entered domain name. How do computers find the correct MAC address?
Really, how are MAC addresses used in routing internet traffic?
Thanks
IP packets aren't always encapsulated in Ethernet frames. There are other physical media such as ISDN, etc. When packets are routed, IP addresses are used to determine the next hop and the physical address is used to physically identify the interface serving as the next hop. Only the former (determining next-hop) is usually called routing.
To answer your second part, MAC addresses are discovered through ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) in IPv4 & ND6 (Neighbor Discovery) in IPv6.
Update:
The destination IP address in the IP header is the final destination. In the process of routing (at each hop), you get the next hop's IP address to (eventually) reach the final destination from the routing table (this could be a default gateway's IP address). To send the packet to the next hop, you need its MAC address. While hopping through intermediate links, the IP address in the IP header don't change - only the MAC addresses change.
Bit late but still here is my answer :) ...
To send data you need two address, the MAC address and the IP address.
Basically the sending host will ARP for a MAC address, this occurs when the local host doesn't know the MAC address of the host it has an IP address for or it will ARP for the default gateway MAC address (if it doesn't already know it) if the IP address in on a different subnet/ network. Once it obtains a MAC address the IP packet is encapsulated in a L2 frame and sent across the media. If the IP packet is meant for a host on a different subnet/ network, it will be sent to the default gateway, this router will de-encapsulate the L2 frame (remove and discard it) check the IP address and will forward it. For the router to do this it needs a MAC address to send it over the media, It will look up the next hop in it's routing table, encapsulate the IP packet with the same source and destination IP address that was sent from the original host into a new L2 frame. This time the MAC address for the source address will be that of the forwarding interface of the router, and the receiving interface of the next hop will be the destination MAC address. This will continue from hop to hop until it reaches the final host, each time the MAC addresses will change, but the original IP address will remain the same.
Here's the key point -- there can be more types of packets than INTERNET traffic. You could be using IPX, which is non-routable. How do clients identify each other? By the MAC address.
Routing != Addressing, which is really where the MAC comes into play.
In order to be routed, the OSI model adds a layer to allow for path discovery to the next gateway. This layer is responsible for routing, but knows nothing about the MAC address.
As a side note, at the hardware level, MAC addresses ARE used by switches, but not for routing. From How Stuff Works:
The switch gets the first packet of data from Node A. It reads the MAC
address and saves it to the lookup table for Segment A. The switch now
knows where to find Node A anytime a packet is addressed to it. This
process is called learning.
In this way, a switch can make sure that traffic is only outputted to the correct port. This isn't accomplishing routing so much as reducing network congestion. Only broadcasts and traffic destined specifically for that MAC address should be sent out the port.
Recently I have been thinking about the same and came upon this question. Here is my answer to this question. Actually MAC address is needed for correctly sending the packet to right destination. This is specially true when packet is needed to sent over a VLAN. There can be multiple switches/routes connected on that VLAN over multiple physical interfaces. However IP Routing is unaware of these physical interface. It only knows about the logical connectivity. For example, route 10.10.10.0/24 is reachable via VE/VIF0.10(logical VLAN interface) and/or nexthop neighbor is 20.20.20.1. There could be multiple interfaces under VLAN 10. Then to which interface packet is sent out? This is where ARP comes in the picture. ARP helps to discover the MAC address associated with the next-hop IP address. When switch/router learns the nexthop MAC. along with that it learns the physical interface also via which that MAC is reachable. Hence while routing packet, firstly MAC corresponding to the destination IP is searched and then the physical interface associated with that MAC is searched. Finally packet is sent out via that physical interface. The MAC corresponding to that destination IP is used as destination MAC. In absence of this, routed packets will always be flooded in the outgoing VLAN.
Hope this helps.
Thanks.
Answer: MAC addresses are not used in the process of routing of a packet.
segment -> transport layer (TCP ports)
packets -> network layer (IP addresses)
frame -> data link layer (MAC addresses)
bits -> physical layer (electric/optical signals)
Create your own packet/segment visit http://wirefloss.com/wireit/
There are 2 models (TCP/IP and ISO/OSI)
In detail:
Your app has some data. This is encapsulated by mentioned layers. Encapsulation means that a header with fields is added at each layer. If your data never leave the local network the MAC address will be the same. Once your data needs to be delivered outside your network the frame header is stripped by router and is replaced by router fields.
UPDATE 2021: Some people seems never heard of ISO OSI model and put this answer as incorrect.
I am just preparing for a test in college about networking.
I'm currently trying around with sub netting and I found out that two devices attached to a layer 2 switch can talk to each other although they have different subnets!
Device A: 192.168.0.1 subnet mask : 255.255.255.0
Device B: 192.168.1.1 subnet mask : 255.255.255.0
The question is why I can ping from device A to B and vice versa?
There's no router, just the two devices and a switch.
From my understanding they should not see each other.
The OS should not even send the ARP request when the unknown IP is in a different subnet.
Could this be a caching issue?
Many Cisco Layer 2 switches are capable to ping the connected systems.
It is possible that your computer might have a route entry that sends a packet which matches no other specific route entry to your router. This is also called as the default gateway. Conventionally the computers in the same subnet are connected directly and most of the times, do not go through the gateway.
To explain it more clearly, If you're on a Linux machine, run route -n.
Destination Gateway Genmask
14.0.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
0.0.0.0 172.16.80.1 0.0.0.0
The first entry has a destination ranging from 14.0.1.0 to 14.0.1.255. The gateway for this match is 0.0.0.0. The table implies that these systems are connected directly. On the other hand, the entry 0.0.0.0 in the destination field will get matched when the packet matches none of the other entries. The gateway for this is the router address (which in my case in 172.16.80.1). All the packets that do not have IPs in the range that I specified above go to the router for further routing. Once the router gets the packet, it takes the further decision based on its routing information that it posses.
In your case the router happens to know that the other subnet is attached to it and hence passed your packet onto that subnet.
Have a closer look at the ARP. The ARP would be addressed to the router in your case of pinging to the other subnet. On the other hand, if pinging within the network, the ARP would be to the destination directly. This is the conventional case. Of course, it all depends on the routing tables in your system. You can always make all packets go through the gateway or no packets to go through the gateway.