I've got a web application that is a front-end to a very memory-intensive, multi-threaded image processor. The web application is running out of memory when it kicks-off large image processing tasks.
How can I run these tasks in a way (e.g. the background) that doesn't effect the memory allocated to the web application?
I'm unfamiliar with this sort of problem, but I would imagine there are techniques in .NET for doing this very thing. My web server is running ASP.NET MVC4, to give you a sense of the technology I'm targeting.
P.s. optimizing the image processor is not a concern, as the command-line interface to it works just fine.
Hey we have run into similar situations, it is never a good idea to load down your webserver with memory intensive tasks. The web server is very good at one thing, serving up web pages, if you ask it to do more you are carrying a lot of overhead (webserver) to do something that doesn't need the webserver to accomplish.
What we did is set up a message queue using Redis, not sure that this is the exact one, as there are different features you may want over another, but it is enough to get your started down the path.
https://github.com/ServiceStack/ServiceStack/wiki/Messaging-and-redis
This is not the only queue that you can use, I believe that MS has one as well. Then we set up a server in the cloud, which was much smaller that was listening on that same queue. Once the event came through. It processed it AND...
It was much quicker because there was no IIS overhead
One user did not impact the experience of another user
I could create two smaller machines to accoomplish what I was trying do with one larger.
HTH
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This may very well be a question that is too broad to answer but any ideas would be incredibly beneficial. I have a web site where load times are incredibly slow in one environment but not the other. In general, the time to first byte is around 15 seconds on most pages. It takes this long on every page within the entire application and not only on first load. I have been troubleshooting the issue for several days now and feel completely lost as to the actual cause for the latency.
Now for a long explanation about the issue.
The environment is a Frankenstein monster of different sources where too many people have had their hands in it, from what I can gather. I have carefully taken the time to compare each of the two environments and haven't identified a key difference. There are numerous things at play here, but I can summarize the main components.
It is a .NET web application built using Orchard CMS running within IIS and has a SQL Server backend. A dedicated server hosts the database and the another dedicated server hosts the web application itself, which is pretty standard. The main difference between the environments is the production site is running in Liquid Web and the new development site is running in AWS. Basically, the site will ultimately be migrated to AWS once the latency issues are resolved.
AWS has more than enough resources. In fact, production (Liquid Web) has been running into issues as of late due to the CPU usage being nearly maxed out. There are many more resources in AWS, and neither of the servers appear to be using more than 1% or 2% of their available resources. I verified this.
If the issue is within the database, I'm not really sure where else to look. I used SQL Server Profiler on the database server to analyze traffic and no transactions were taking more than a half second, aside from the Audit Logins/Outs (which from my research is normal behavior). The main database queries execute almost immediately after trying to navigate to a page within the site, not 15 seconds later when the page loads.
I had a thought that the network traffic in AWS application server and the database server could be bottlenecked somewhere. However, resolving the application locally does not improve performance. I thought it could have been an issue with the routing within the domain, such as the way in which DNS is set up, but that does not seem to be the case either... or perhaps it is, and I just haven't figured out the best way to troubleshoot that. Either way, resolving the application on localhost does not improve performance. The page still hangs for 15-20 seconds.
The vRAM usage for the site's application pool and the default app pool certainly does seem on the high end, if that makes a difference.
I have browsed the IIS logs and cannot find anything obvious. Granted, I don't have much experience in IIS and could be missing something. Windows Event logs show me nothing out of the ordinary either. There are some errors in both Liquid Web and AWS in regards to printer drivers not being installed, but those have nothing to do with the application itself.
I am unsure of how to check if it has something to do with the Orchard CMS. Granted, this is just a package/framework that was migrated over into the dev server, directly along with the application itself. I see nothing that would have changed within the environment.
The fact is that the two environments seem identical, yet one is running very slowly based on some factor that I just can't seem to identify.
Thank you!
Basically I have a website that will run a background task to perform some "maintenance" duties while it's not idle. When it is idle, these processes do not need to run.
Now I have a secondary website (virtual directory under main site) that needs to execute these tasks as well. However they can't both run them at the same time or it will cause issues.
Now the more correct solution would probably be to either merge the sites, break out the tasks into a different application, or change the tasks so that they do not conflict with each other if they're both running at the same time. For one reason or another, these are not (currently) options.
So basically when the secondary website is active, what would be the best way to make sure the primary website is awake and running these tasks?
I'm thinking the easiest solution would be to include a reference to the main website from the secondary website, so that any page load on the secondary website would force the first website to be server the request. Something like a 1px image.
But would this be better solved through IIS? Should they share the same application pool? Both applications are relatively stable, so I'm not too worried about one website bringing down the other.
Your question is a little confused. At one point you say that the two sites can't run the task at the same time, but then you say that when the secondary is active the primary should also be active?
Assuming your goal is to have the task run only in one place at a time, you basically having a locking problem. Some solutions would be:
Maintain a lock (e.g. physical file, database entry, ...) and only run the task if the other site isn't holding the lock.
Make the task callable in site A and then have site B call it rather than running the task itself. Site A can then track if it is already running the task.
All the solutions you listed yourself (especially separating background tasks away from websites altogether) which are better solutions than the above.
Hope that helps.
Kind of hard to depend on running an automated task on a web service. If the application pool is recycled then that task will become lost and the process could lose its integrity. There is no guarantee that the process will degrade nicely when the application pool is collected.
Running a dedicated task is better handled by a system which is set up to be dedicated. Namely, the server hosting this web service. I think you would be better suited to have the host service run directly on the server locally instead of exposed to the web as a web service.
However, if that is not an option, then you will probably benefit from merging them as you state. This way as long as the application pool is alive from the child service, the parent service will be available. Similarly, you could have them share an application pool. The issue here is as stated above, the integrity of the dedicated process could become compromised.
.NET is not really designed to run dedicated background tasks. That is better suited to a desktop application which supports the web service.
I've had sporadic performance problems with my website for awhile now. 90% of the time the site is very fast. But occasionally it is just really, really slow. I mean like 5-10 seconds load time kind of slow. I thought I had narrowed it down to the server I was on so I migrated everything to a new dedicated server from a completely different web hosting company. But the problems continue.
I guess what I'm looking for is a good tool that'll help me track down the problem, because it's clearly not the hardware. I'd like to be able to log certain events in my ASP.NET code and have that same logger also track server performance/resources at the time. If I can then look back at the logs then I can see what exactly my website was doing at the time of extreme slowness.
Is there a .NET logging system that'll allow me to make calls into it with code while simultaneously tracking performance? What would you recommend?
Every intermittent performance problem I ever had turn out to be caused by something in the database.
You need to check out my blog post Unexplained-SQL-Server-Timeouts-and-Intermittent-Blocking. No, it's not caused by a heavy INSERT or UPDATE process like you would expect.
I would run a database trace for 1/2 a day. Yes, the trace has to be done on production because the problem doesn't usually happen in a low use environment.
Your trace log rows will have a "Duration" column showing how long an event took. You are looking at the long running ones, and the ones before them that might be holding up the long running ones. Once you find the pattern you need to figure out how things are working.
IIS 7.0 has built-in ETW tracing capability. ETW is the fastest and least overhead logging. It is built into Kernel. With respect to IIS it can log every call. The best part of ETW you can include everything in the system and get a holistic picture of the application and the sever. For example you can include , registry, file system, context switching and get call-stacks along with duration.
Here is the basic overview of ETW and specific to IIS and I also have few posts on ETW
I would start by monitoring ASP.NET related performance counters. You could even add your own counters to your application, if you wanted. Also, look to the number of w3wp.exe processes running at the time of the slow down vs normal. Look at their memory usage. Sounds to me like a memory leak that eventually results in a termination of the worker process, which of course fixes the problem, temporarily.
You don't provide specifics of what your application is doing in terms of the resources (database, networking, files) that it is using. In addition to the steps from the other posters, I would take a look at anything that is happening at "out-of-process" such as:
Databases connections
Files opened
Network shares accessed
...basically anything that is not happening in the ASP.NET process.
I would start off with the following list of items:
Turn on ASP.Net Health Monitoring to start getting some metrics & numbers.
Check the memory utilization on the server. Does re-cycling the IIS periodically remove this issue (memory leak??).
ELMAH is a good tool to start looking at the exceptions. Also, go though the logs your application might be generating.
Then, I would look for anti-virus software running at a particular time or some long running processes which might be slowing down the machine etc., a database backup schedule...
HTH.
Of course ultimately I just want to solve the intermittent slowness issues (and I'm not yet sure if I have). But in my initial question I was asking for a rather specific logger.
I never did find an answer for that so I wrote my own stopwatch threshold logging. It's not quite as detailed as my initial idea but it has the benefit of being very easy to apply globally to a web application.
From my experience performance related issues are almost always IO related and is rarely the CPU.
In order to get a gauge on where things are at without writing instrumentation code or installing software is to use Performance Monitor in Windows to see where the time is being spent.
Another quick way to get a sense of where problems might be is to run a small load test locally on your machine while a code profiler (like the one built into VS) is attached to the process to tell you where all the time is going. I usually find a few "quick wins" with that approach.
I have a web service running and I consume it from my desk application that is written on Compact Framework.
It takes 13 seconds to retrieve 8 results which is kinda slow. I also expect to be retrieving more results in the future. The database query runs fast.
Two questions: how do I detect where the speed slow down occurs? Do I put timers in the Web services code?
I would like to detect whether it is the network or the application code.
This is my first exposure to web services in a real environment so please bear with me.
i used asp.net 2.0 and c# to write a simple web service.
Another good profiler is the EQATEC Profiler. I did a write up on it here: http://elegantcode.com/2009/07/02/eqatec-profiler-and-net-cf-profiling-and-regular-net/
And it works find for .net CF projects. But this will allow you to see if there performance issues in unexpected places.
Your already on the right track of adding event logging, and include timers in them. Note, doing so will add to the over all time it takes, so you'll want to remove them after you track down the culprit. Also look into running the same webservice call multiple-times without re-initiating the connection, that may be cause as well.
-Jay
A starting point is to profile your web service to see where the delay is comming from
Did you know the CLR Profiler? There are some tools you can use to see what is happening
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms998579.aspx
The database connectivity from your service to the DB could be a possible cause for slowdown. Adding timers should do the trick. If the code isnt too huge, you can look at the coding constructs to come up with an informed decision of where exactly things can be slow. Then add the timers. You would get a fair idea of where things are slowing down.
Two biggest pain points are going to be instantiating the web service reference and transferring all the data over the network. Pending anything turning up where some obvious blunder was made, I would look at ways of reducing the size of your xml and ways of better handling your web service reference.
All I know about the compact framework is that it is a pain to work in. I've worked on a number of web projects though and profiling your server, putting in logging to record the time taken will be helpful. If all the time is being taking post server response, however, it won't do much more than prove your server is working quickly.
SoapUI is a fantastic java application for consuming web services. It has a lot of functionality, including time metrics. I would start with that and see how long it takes to consume the same thing your client would be. Failing issues there, start with what I recommended above.
I am writing a web application in ASP.NET 3.5 that takes care of some basic data entry scenarios. There is also a component to the application that needs to continuously poll some data and perform actions based on business logic.
What is the best way to implement the "polling" component? It needs to run and check the data every couple of minutes or so.
I have seen a couple of different options in the past:
The web application starts a background thread that will always run while the web application does. (The implementation I saw started the thread in the Application_Start event.)
Create a windows service that is always running
What are the benefits to either of these options? Are there additional options?
I am leaning toward a windows service because it is separated and can run on a different server (more scalable) as well as there is more control over when it is started/stopped, etc. However, I feel like the compactness of having the "background" logic running in the process of the web application might make the entire solution more understandable.
I'd go for the separate Windows service primarily for the reasons you give:
You can run it on a different server if necessary.
You can start and stop it independently of the web site.
I'd also add that it could well have some impact on the performance of the web site itself - something you want to avoid.
The buzz-word here is "separation of concerns". The web site is concerned with presenting the data to the user, the service with checking the integrity of the data.
You can also update the web site and service independently of each other should you need to.
I was going to suggest that you look at a scheduled task and let Windows control when the process runs, but I re-read your question and noted that you wanted the checks to run every couple of minutes. The overhead of starting the process might be too great in this case - though some experimentation would probably prove this one way or the other.
If you use a scheduled task there's also the possibility that you could start the next check before the current one has finished - something you can code for if you're in complete control.
Why not just use a console app that has no ui? Can do all that the windows service can and is much easier to debug and maintain. I would not do a windows service unless you absolutely have to.
You might find that the SQL Server job scheduler sufficient for what you want.
Console application does not do well in this case. I wrote a TAPI application which has to stay in the background and intercept incoming calls. But it did it only once because the tapi manager got GCed and was never available for the second incoming call.