I'm having an issue with websites using the Helvetica font and Helvetica Neue.
I tried getting some help to fix it but its apparently an issue with my Linux installation.
Since I can't fix it myself, I thought to write either a userstyle (Stylish) or a userscript for my Chrome browser to detect websites that use Helvetica or Helvetica Neue.
If those font are used, then replace them with something else.
How could this be implemented?
If this is for just a few websites, use Stylish, and tune for just those offending parts of the page. For example:
#-moz-document domain("stackoverflow.com"), domain("askubuntu.com") {
body, p, div, textarea {
font-family: comic sans !important;
}
}
If it's for all sites, Stylish or a userscript is not your best bet.
This is because:
For Stylish, it would be a full time job finding and adding the appropriate CSS selectors.
Or, a blanket approach for Stylish, like:
* {
font-family: comic sans !important;
}
would no-doubt bust the layout of some sites.
A userscript could theoretically replace CSS only if it was set to Helvetica, but one of two problems would occur:
Checking style sheets would seem more efficient but your script would be blocked, from reading/writing some sheets, by security restrictions. Although the style sheets you were most interested in would probably be readable (same domain, not in JS created iframe).
Conversely, you could check the computed style of every element, but you'd have to monitor for AJAX changes, and this could get CPU intensive.
For a blanket approach, the smartest thing to do is to fix or reinstall your Linux OS.
At the very least, you should be able to map your system's Helvetica font to something else (I know you can do this on Windows, so Linux probably has a mechanism too).
Might be best to ask a question on Unix and Linux or on Super User for help fixing the system font problem.
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Recently had a customer send in a ticket complaining that their font has changed (within the week or so). The font on the site has not changed in probably a decade. What I suspect is that perhaps a recent windows up that times in line with the change is effecting the font he sees, or, more likely, a setting changed on his end.
the font we use
font-family: "Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif
It is my understanding that Helvetica Neue will likely get replaced by something else on windows since, just from googling, I find that font is not included in windows.
My question is, is there any way I can help debug this on his end to figure out exactly what is going on? It does make the site difficult to read for this user and I would like to fix it, and also know for sure what I am talking about. I usually try very hard not to just reply with, "looks good on my machine". Inspecting it shows the same font family as what I posted above.
None of the font options in that css appear to be what is showing.
The one distinguishing trait I can see in the font is the letters de overlap or touch.
This is for web content, the browsers mentioned where most recent Chrome, which I also tested on (verified exact same version numbers) and did not have the issue, and Edge which I do not have.
If you can't access their computer, it's going to be hard to pinpoint the exact cause. Windows font substitution is the normal culprit in this situation:
As stated here:
https://office-watch.com/2021/windows-substituting-arial-font-for-helvetica/
"Windows is setup to use Arial whenever it sees a reference to ‘Helvetica’. This happens at the Windows level and doesn’t just apply to Microsoft Office. Most web browsers get the same thing – web pages that ask for ‘Helvetica’ to display in web page will get the Arial font instead. It drives web designers crazy, especially since CSS has a way to choose from a family of preferred fonts.
Way down in the bowels of the Windows Registry is HCLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\NTCurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes which lists the substitutions."
Additionally, if you run a comparison of arial vs helvetica neue...using the word video you mentioned, you get this:
Notice the difference in kerning (separation between letters/characters) between characters 'd' and 'e'. Arial appears 'clumped' when compared to Helvetica Neue.
I have no reputable source to provide, but this exact situation has happened to me before. It was caused by me installing a faulty font of a similar name.
It was hell to read most websites and I had to get a chrome extension to change everything to Arial to be readable. Ask them if they're having this problem on other websites as well then tell them to delete the "Helvetica Neue" font file on their computer (Mine was named Helvatica Neue56878 if it helps). This solved the problem for me.
How to debug: Check whether the specific computer have the Helvetica font installed. You can do this by going to the Fonts settings of windows. To open Font Settings just open windows search and type Font:
Font Settings will show you Available Fonts that are installed in your computer. Type Helvetica in the search bar and see if Helvetica font is installed:
If it's not, you can go and download and install the font on that computer and the problem would be solved.
CSS solution: To avoid this problem from happening in the future, you can include the font's .ttf file in your project and use #font-face to set it as a font on your project.
#font-face {
font-family: "digital-7";
font-style: normal;
src: url("~/assets/fonts/digital-7.ttf");
}
You can use it like so:
.container{
font-family: "digital-7";
font-size: 4em;
color: black;
}
I know this is an extremely basic and stupid question, but I seem to be having a genuinely curious problem.
When using what are supposed to be web-safe fonts like Didot, and using
header h1{
font-family: Didot, serif;
font-size: 36px;
}
my browser just displays the standard serif font.
In fact I can't seem to get it to display any web safe font, it will only display either the standard serif or sans-serif font. I know my selector is correct because I CAN change between serif and sans-serif, but I know its not displaying other web-safe fonts because I tried both Arial and Helvetica (which are both definitely web safe) and when I refreshed from one to another there was absolutely no difference in the font displayed.
I'm a complete beginner and I'm using the simplest possible beginner environment, just an html page linking to a css file which I'm opening with my browser (the url shows up as file:///C:/Users/Agent%201/Desktop/Web%20Projects/ResumeSite/index.html if that is at all relevant). I've tried opening it with both chrome and edge, same results on both
Is there something wrong with my css? Or are there limitations when just opening a local html file with my browser?
Sorry if I'm this is a really dumb question, but I really can't find an answer as to why my fonts aren't working, I've tried !important and some other weird solution I found which involves changing the selector to "header h1, header h1 *" and that did nothing.
Thank-you for any help you can provide me!
When using what are supposed to be web-safe fonts like Didot, and using...
Didot is not a "web-safe" font.
Didot is included with macOS, which may lead some web-designers to assume that it's also available on other platforms (like Windows, Linux and Android) or that those platforms have automatically-mapped equivalents (like how many browsers will map Helvetica to Arial), however that is not guaranteed.
Also, just because a typeface is included with an OS does not mean it is licensed to you to use commercially or in a website - you can be sued for publishing an OS-licensed font onto the public web without having your own font-license.
A "web-safe" font is a typeface that is broadly installed and supported by most contemporary browsers without the need for additional downloads or font installations.
Many typefaces are broadly installed, such as Microsoft's Core fonts for the web which are preinstalled on all Windows computers - and many other operating systems such as macOS either come with the same fonts or have very similar equivalents (e.g. Helvetica instead of Arial) which are automatically mapped by the browser.
The only way to determine if a font is "web-safe" is by doing your own leg-work and manually checking to see if all-or-most of your target users' devices have that typeface available. You can check font availability on Wikipedia and other sites:
macOS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_typefaces_included_with_macOS
Windows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_typefaces_included_with_Microsoft_Windows
iOS: http://iosfonts.com/
Android: Consult Android's fonts.xml for the minimum set of stock fonts and default fallback mappings (e.g. "Helvetica" goes to "sans-serif").
You might notice that Android's font list is very... short. That's because the base Android OS isn't what ships on most peoples' phones: Google's layer on top of Android, and OEMs (like Samsung, etc) will add their own fonts on top, but I don't know where to get that list from at-present, sorry.
A "web-safe font stack" means that at least one of the fonts listed in a font-family property value can be safely assumed to be available for use, not that all of them are - nor that the first-preferred-font will be available.
And any font-family list can be made "safe" by adding a CSS fallback generic-family name to the end (i.e. specifying the least-preferred font). Those names are specified in the CSS Fonts Module and are:
serif
sans-serif
cursive
fantasy
monospace
In your case, the property font: Didot, serif is "web-safe" because it has the serif generic-family name at the end. Your visitors will only see the Didot font being used if they already have it installed on their computer, phone, tablet, etc.
If you do want to use Didot, then you need to publish it as a WOFF file and add it to your stylesheet with a #font-face rule: https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/using-font-face/
i am converting psd to html and font used in psd is moolboran, my tag font-family: MoolBoran;, which is not supported by browsers, how can i overcome this problem? is there any possible solution to as alternative?
Your options are to either save an image with your non-standard font, or use the CSS property font-face, and allow the site visitors to download the font file. For more details of this approach, see CSS 3: Custom Fonts Using #font-face.
Web safe fonts have been a bane to designers for a while, but you can check out Google Web Fonts to see if there's a font that's close (it doesn't look like they support MoolBoran unfortunately)
The only solutions are to
A) use an image rather than live text (which is generally a poor method)
B) See if a web font version of "MoolBoran" is available somewhere. And use the #font-family selector. I looked but can't find anything for it.
C) Change your design.
There is nothing wrong with that tag, it's certainly supported by all browsers.
The font does of course have to be installed on the visitors computer, which is probably where you have your problem.
If you want that exact font, you can make an image out of the text. That is the only sure way to get exactly the look that you want across all browsers.
You should supply fallback fonts in your tag, for example:
font-family: MoolBoran, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif;
i have been building a website using a windows development box so far. the site has turned out well, until i noticed that the same pages appear a little out of place as far as alignment is concerned in a linux dev box. the issue is because of the font being used in both these boxes.
here's my css -
font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;
the entire site has been designed with tahoma as the base font, and so if the font changes, because of the inherent width/height difference between fonts, they might end up taking more space for the same word than tahoma, and result in layout issues. Even in the windows box, if tahoma is not available, then the site would fallback into sans-serif which would most likely cause problems. so to say, the site is designed for tahoma users :D (i know this is bad practice).
while this maynot be a problem since tahoma will be present in all windows boxes, linux/ other OS users would face layout problems.
how do i resolve this issue..? i still want to use tahoma in the site.
In my experience you can never expect that a font on a web page will look exactly as you expected in all browsers / OSs. Flash does come close with the embedding feature, but for good ol HTML/CSS the best thing I've seen is TypeKit. I looked and they do not have Tahoma, but they likely have something similar to it.
As a general rule, I try to design my pages to allow for font displaying variations.
I was wandering how can I link font-family in css to a font in your folder. Like PHP you can use your font in your folder.
Example Code:
CSS:
font-family: verdana;
This is what I mean:
font-family: foldername/font
Is there a code for that? or I have to use PHP to browse my own font?
#font-face {
font-family: "Kimberley";
src: url(http://www.princexml.com/fonts/larabie/kimberle.ttf) format("truetype");
}
Just found this one on "A List Apart", haven't checked myself but this webbie is one of the most respectful resources for designers online so i guess your best shot is to give it a try.
It is not possible do like:
font-family: foldername/font
Fonts are read by the browser from the client machine from a specific location, you can not change it that way.
Jordan,
This should help you:
Using #font-face
You are misunderstanding this. PHP can use server-side fonts to generate an image. The font itself is never shown to the client, just the rendered results.
To be able to use a non-standard font in the user's browser, you will have to package the font along with the site.
There are various techniques to do this, all with various degrees of browser support. Here's a good article on the various available techniques, their upsides and downsides. Also check out the duplicate link.
Note that only because you paid for a font, this does not mean necessarily that you are allowed to re-distribute it embedded in a web site! Always check your font license.