How to exclude a class with all children in style definition - css

I have a file like
<div>
<div class="abc">
<div>
<!--some more divs inside-->
</div>
</div>
</div>
What I want to do is to apply styles only to the first div. I tried to use div:not(.abc, .abc *), div:not(.abc):not(.abc *), div:not(.abc), div:not(.abc) * but none of these worked. It would be hard to edit the html, because there would be many files to be edited. Also the code shown above appears in different places, so using > selector is not the solution... Does someone know how to do this?

You cannot reliably use the :not() selector in CSS for excluding an element and/or its descendants. The reason for it is explained in this answer (and some others that it links to):
You can't use combinators. This works in jQuery, but not CSS:
/*
* Grab everything that is neither #foo itself nor within #foo.
* Notice the descendant combinator (the space) between #foo and *.
*/
:not(#foo, #foo *)
This one is particularly nasty, primarily because it has no proper workaround. There are some loose workarounds (1 and 2), but they usually depend on the HTML structure and are therefore very limited in utility.
And since your markup is unpredictable enough that you cannot edit it or use the > selector, I'm afraid there's not much of a way out for you other than to either find a way to apply a class to your top div and use that class, as demonstrated by Fluidbyte, and/or use jQuery, as implied above.

I usually find it's easier to include what you need via a class then try to exclude descendant elements. See the fiddle here: http://jsfiddle.net/cLtHg/
That takes care of inheritance issues and is much more cross-browser friendly.

If you're really not touching the HTML, then a simple although dirty approach would be to apply styles to the first div and then remove them from subsequent divs, like so:
div {margin-bottom: 20px; border: 1px solid #ccc;}
div div {margin-bottom: 0; border: none;}
The major drawback here is that some styles in the child divs may get removed unintendedly. Depends on how they're styled in the first place.

Use :first-child with the ID or Class of its parent Element. If you are unable to catch the element using CSS, it is suggested to use Javascript or jQuery.

Have you tried :first-child or :nth-child() selecor?

Related

Is the CSS :not() selector supposed to work with distant descendants?

Here is the official documentation for the CSS3 :not() pseudo-class:
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#negation
and the proposed CSS Selectors Level 4 enhancement:
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/selectors4/#negation
I've been searching the implementation and browser support for :not(), but the only examples I found were with a single element or with a direct child of an element, e.g.:
div *:not(p) { color: red; }
The example above works when <p> is a direct child of <div>, but it does not work when <p> is a more distant descendant of <div>.
div :not(p) {
color: red;
}
<div>
<ul>
<li>This is red</li>
</ul>
<p>This is NOT</p>
<blockquote><p>This is red but is not supposed to be!</p></blockquote>
</div>
If the answer is in the official documentation above, then I didn't find/understand it. As I said, I have searched this site and the web but couldn't find any discussion about the support or lack thereof of :not() as grand-children of another element.
Is this supposed to work like I think it should?
Is this supposed to work like I think it should?
No, the behavior you're seeing is correct.
In your last example, although the <blockquote> contains a <p>, it's the <blockquote> itself that's matching *:not(p), as well as the condition that it must be a descendant of the <div>, which it is. The style is applied only to the <blockquote>, but it is then inherited by the <p> inside it.
The <p> element itself still counts against the negation, so the <p> itself is still being excluded from your selector. It's just inheriting the text color from its parent, the <blockquote> element.
Even if none of its relatively close ancestors matched the selector, you have elements like html and body to worry about as well — although you could probably just tack on a body selector in the very beginning:
body div...
This is why I often strongly advise against using the :not() selector for filtering descendants, especially when not qualified with a type selector (like div in your example). It doesn't work the way most people expect it to, and the use of inherited properties like color only serves to compound the problem, on top of making it even more confusing for authors. See my answers to these other questions for more examples:
Why doesn't this CSS :not() declaration filter down?
CSS negation pseudo-class :not() for parent/ancestor elements
The solution to the problem described is to simply apply a different color to <p> elements. You won't be able to simply exclude them with a selector because of inheritance:
/* Apply to div and let all its descendants inherit */
div {
color: red;
}
/* Remove it from div p */
div p {
color: black;
}
On Selectors Level 4: yes, :not() has indeed been enhanced to accept full complex selectors that contain combinators. Essentially, this means (once browsers begin implementing it) you will be able to write the following selector and have it do exactly what you want:
p:not(div p) {
color: red;
}
In case anyone is interested, this works in jQuery today.
The color is assigned to the blockquote, and is then inherited by the p.
:not(p) just makes it so that the styles are not directly applied. They are still inherited though.

CSS nesting properties... At least I hope that's what it's called

I was wondering if there was a way to use css to style a wrapper a certain way ONLY if it had a div with a specific id inside. Let's say that I have
<div class="intro_wrapper"></div>
in several places throughout the site but want to change the padding ONLY if it
<div class="intro_wrapper">
<div id="slider"></div>
</div>
has #slider inside of it. The thing is that I want to make it have less padding when #slider is nested in it so I can't really mess with the margin for #slider without cutting off the content all weird. I tried using negative margins but it ends up cutting off the image I have in a weird way.
I know you can use stuff like p + p for paragraphs that have paragraphs following them, so I am assuming there may be a way to do something like I am trying to. Thanks in advance.
You cannot do that with any CSS rules at this point as a reverse combinator to apply style on parent based on child. Instead you can hack it by adding a margin to the child instead.
div.intro_wrapper > #slider
{
margin:20px;
}
Whilst I think PSL's answer is already pretty good (cross browser, simple etc.) it doesn't help if you actually need to use a parent selector. Whilst at the moment it's best to avoid this when you can, there are definitely some circumstances which may require a parent selector (or some such alternative).
One solution if you absolutely have to use a parent selector would be jquery, its selector engine recongnises the :parent selector, for example you could do:
$("#slider:parent").addClass('padded_intro_wrapper');
Then in your CSS:
.padded_intro_wrapper
{
padding: 20px;
}
Equally, if the #slider div isn't always inside the .intro_wrapper div you could do:
$('#slider').closest('.intro_wrapper').addClass('padded_intro_wrapper');
That's where it starts getting a bit messy though.
EDIT: Fiddle if you're feeling lazy

recommended css notation

I have a div with an ID:
<div id="main">
What's the correct (or difference) between
div#main {
and
#main {
Regards,
There is a great doco on using efficient CSS selectors, focus on rules with overly qualified selectors:
ID selectors are unique by definition. Including tag or class
qualifiers just adds redundant information that needs to be evaluated
needlessly.
Instead of just applying the style to an element with id main, your selector will re-qualify the element by checking whether or not it's also a div (in that order). To clarify: css selectors are evaluated right to left, unlike same selector syntax when used in jQuery etc.
Re pixelistik's suggestion that div#main is more specific than #main - yes, that is technically correct, however if you have to resort to this to raise a rule's specificity, chances are the structure of CSS you're working on is not as thought through as it should be.
#main matches everything with ID 'main', whereas div#main matches only <div> elements with ID main.
Ideally, you should never have two elements with the same ID, so realistically the two don't make a difference, but there's probably performance related issues regarding whether specifying div makes it find the result faster.
So difference is that:
When you write div#main style will be only for <div> element.
When you write #main it can be used as style for <div>, <span>, <p>, etc.
And what recommend is hard to say, every developer it has it different. So i using for example
span.<nameClass> when is nested in <li> for example.
#nav li span.href a {
...
}
I think it's used when you want that someone class with specific name can have only one element.
So when your write span#href it will works only for <span id="href">Simply dummy text</span> not for others. When you write #href it will works for <span id="href">Simply dummy text</span> or Link but both are correct when you also asking about this. Differences i wrote above.
Both are correct.
div#main is more specific than #main, which means that styles defined with the first selector will override the ones of the second.
Here's a good introduction to CSS specifity:
http://htmldog.com/guides/cssadvanced/specificity/

What class selectors should I use to affect these odd-numbered elements?

Here is the page I am affecting:
http://www.careerchoiceswithlaura.com/blog/
Inspecting the elements will show that I set up one class "blog-post" and added it to each entry on the page. Then, I use a simple algorithm to apply a class named "even-numbered" or "odd-numbered" as well for appropriate entries so I can stagger the color effects and make the page more readable.
The problem is, that when I apply rules using the following line in my CSS file:
.blog-post .odd-numbered { background: #ddd; }
..it doesn't affect the elements with both blog-post and odd-numbered; in fact, the rule affects nothing on the page.
Could someone explain why, and which class selectors I should be using to affect said elements?
I researched online, and find this article at W3 very helpful usually (and it appears that the rule should be working if you look at /blog/:279 on the page I mentioned above), but even with the rule there it doesn't seem to be anything to the elements I am trying to target.
Your example selector targets elements with the class odd-numbered that have an ancestor element with the class blog-post.
In your HTML, the .blog-post element is also the .odd-numbered element.
Your selector, then, should be .blog-post.odd-numbered (note the lack of a space).
You'll want these CSS pseudo-selectors:
elementname:nth-child(even)
and
elementname:nth-child(odd)
Documentation:
http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/evenodd
To style the same element with two classnames, you will want (without a space):
.blog-post.odd-numbered { background: #ddd; }
You original style, with a space, styles an element with the class odd-numbered inside an element with the class blog-post
from CSS3
:nth-child(odd)
You should apply as .blog-post.odd-numbered { background: #ddd; } without space btw css classes, If it is applied to same element.

Use HTML tag names, classes or IDs in CSS?

In designing the HTML and CSS for a page, when should I use
img.className
versus
.className
versus
#idName
or some other variant?
Are there guidelines or recommendations?
Summary from answers
Thank you to all answerers - there is some excellent stuff here!
make CSS as specific as possible
use an OO approach
order: #id, tag, tag.className, .className
when to use each selector, also class/ID comparison
give selectors names based on purpose, not what they look like
use advanced selectors for smaller code, leave CSS classes for exceptions/overrides only
manage ASP.NET munging ID
In general you should be as specific as the item demands.
There is no general rule, it depends on the style in question.
A lot of people will recommend you keep to the lowest specificity with the theory that this allows the maximum cascading reuse but this is absolutely toxic in real world situations where you have multiple developers all working on slightly different versions of what a .foo might look like. Pollution from inheritance you did not want leads to massive bloat in trying to undo that locally or time-loss in refactoring.
The best guideline I always offer is to try and think of CSS in OO terms: class selectors map to interfaces more or less, tags map to classes, and ID selectors map to instances. Consequently decide if the style you want to apply really applies to that thing, all things like it, or anything which wants it.
I also strongly encourage you to make use of high level IDs on wrapper elements so you can write selectors in a namespace like fashion (i.e. #foo .bar, #foo .baz where #foo is unique to a page or set of page designs) which allows you both a level of specificity which reduces cross-design pollution and a level of generality which lets you make the most of cascading CSS reuse.
Best of both worlds.
It depends on the intended semantics, and, as others said, be as specific as possible.
#idName for unique elements on the page. Good examples are #header and #footer
TAGNAME for general purpose page styling.
TAG.classname and .classname for exceptions/overrides to the above rules.
And don't forget the use of advanced selectors. A bad example:
<style>
H1{ font-size: 200%; color: #008; }
#mainMenu { color: #800; }
.in_the_menu { color: #800; font-size: 150%; }
</style>
<h1>Hello World!</h1>
<div id="mainMenu">
<h1 class="in_the_menu">My Menu</h1>
</div>
The same could have been achieved with:
<style>
H1{ font-size: 200%; color: #008; }
#mainMenu { color: #800; }
#mainMenu H1 { color: #800; font-size: 150%; }
</style>
<h1>Hello World!</h1>
<div id="mainMenu">
<h1>My Menu</h1>
</div>
The second example gets rid of the superflous "class" attribute on the H1 element in the "mainMenu" div. This has two important benefits:
The HTML code is smaller and cleaner
You are less likely to forget to add the class attribute
If you take good care of you CSS, and make use of proper advanced selectors, you can nearly completely leave out CSS classes. And keep them only for exceptions/overrides.
Take this example which draws boxes with headers:
#content H2{
border: 1px solid #008789;
padding: 0em 1em;
margin: 0.2em 0em;
margin-bottom: 1em;
font-size: 100%;
background: #cccb79
}
#content H2 + DIV{
margin-top: -1em;
border-left: 1px solid #008789;
border-right: 1px solid #008789;
border-bottom: 1px solid #008789;
margin-bottom: 1em;
}
Now, as soon as you follow a H2 with a DIV in the #content element, you have a nice box. other DIVs and H2s are left alone:
<div id="content">
<h2>Hello Box!</h2>
<div>Some text</div>
<div>Some more text</div>
<div>Some more text</div>
<h2>And another title</h2>
</div>
If you get these rules right, you hardly ever need classes, and can work with IDs and TAG names alone. And as an added bonus, your HTML will be a lot nicer to read and maintain.
You preference should be, in order from highest to lowest:
id
tag
tag.className
.className
ID selectors are fast. Tag selectors are reasonably fast. Pure class selectors are slow because the browser essentially has to interrogate every element and see if each has that class. Getting elements by ID or tag name are "native" operations from a browser's context.
Also, I find it good practice to make your CSS selectors as restrictive as possible otherwise it just turns into a mess and you end up getting all sorts of unintended consequences where CSS rules apply where you didn't otherwise expect, which often forces you to create a similar yet different selector just so none of the rules regarding the first don't apply (translating into more mess).
Basically if you know if you only use a class on div elements then do this
div.className
not
.className
If you apply a class to several elements just list them:
h1.selected, h2.selected, h3.selected
instead of
.selected
In practice I find very few situations where you need to use "naked" class selectors or where it is advisable to do so.
you should use the selector best describing your rules
id: when you want to select one single element
.classname: when you want to style elements regardless of their tag
tag.classname: when you want to style only tags with the given class
tag tag tag: when you want to style all subelements of a tag
Class selectors
.className
This is to be used when you have more than one element on the page that you would like to apply the same style to. It can be to any tag element. So in the following all will use the same style as set out by the .className.
<p class="className"></p>
<img src="/path/to/image.png" class="className" />
But you can also restrict it like so:
img.className
By placing the tag along with the style definition, you're saying that this style is only to be used when it's the class used by that particular tag, in this case, an image.
HTML code will look like this:
<img src="/path/to/image.png" class="className" />
If you have other elements on the page using the same class style, but are not of the same tag, then the styles set out in this will not be applied and they will take on the more generic version as mentioned in the first example.
So repeating the example above:
<p class="className"></p>
<img src="/path/to/image.png" class="className" />
Only the image will take on the style as set out by img.className whereas all the rest will take on the style rules set in .className.
ID selectors
#idName
This is to be used when there is only one instance of a particular element that you wish to apply the style to.
You can also force it to apply only in certain tag conditions as you have earlier with the class definitions.
p#idName
This example will only apply to the paragraph block marked with the ID:
<p id="idName">
If you were to put that id on another element, like this:
<div id="idName"></div>
Then it will not take on the style set out and be ignored.
As to your two first selectors, the first of the two will overwrite the second, as it's more specific. You can calculate the specificity of a selector.
One thing worth noting is that some server side scripting technologies (most notably ASP.NET) don't play well with using IDs for your styling. If there is a chance your design will be used with such a technology, I recommend forgetting about #id selectors and use tag.className instead.
The reason is that ASP.NET actually changes the ID that ends up in the HTML based on a number of criteria, if the tag is output by a server side control.
I know this is a pretty old question but for all those who are reading this just now...
There are 4 categories of rules in general:
ID Rules, Class Rules, Tag Rules, Universal Rules.
And it's important to mention that class selectors are faster than tag selectors. So you should always use them in the following order
1. ID Selector
2. Class Selector
3. Tag Selector
4. Universal Selectors
In your case you should never use the tag name before class name.
You can find more information here: Writing efficient CSS
It really depends on the situation:
.error{
color:red;
}
p.error{
background-color:yellow;
}
div.error{
background-color:grey;
}
Always use the cascading effect of CSS to your advantage.
It's good practise to use the least specific rules you can for each rule.
How you structure your CSS will depend on the particular needs of the design.
Yes. You may want to use the same classname for two elements in the future. Be explicit and clear. This will also prevent class-rules from overlapping onto unintended elements.
h1.title { font-size:18px; } /* My h1's are big */
p.title { font-size:16px; } /* My p's are smaller */
.title { color:#336699; } /* All titles are blue */
Use ID's only when necessary, and only once per page.
When to use what depends on what you want to select. img.className (type selector + class selector) selects only IMG elements that’s in the class “className” while .className (just class selector) selects any element that’s in that class and #idName (id selector) any element with the ID “idName”.
But besides that, the selector all have a differente specificity that affects the order in which the properties of that rules overwrite the one of others.
So if you have an IMG element with the ID “idName” that’s in the class “className”:
<img src="…" id="idName" class="className">
The properties of the rules would be applied in the following order (specificity from highest to lowest):
#idName
img.className
.className
But when you use a specific class only for one specific type of elements (e.g. “className” only for IMG element), you can go with only .className.

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