CSS3 box-sizing: margin-box; Why not? - css

Why don't we have box-sizing: margin-box;? Usually when we put box-sizing: border-box; in our style sheets we really mean the former.
Example:
Let's say I have a 2 column page layout. Both columns have a width of 50%, but they look kind of ugly because there's no gutter (gap in the middle); Below is the CSS:
.col2 {
width: 50%;
float: left;
}
To apply a gutter you might think we could just set a right margin on the first of the 2 columns; something like this:
.col2:first-child {
margin-right: 24px;
}
But this would make the second column wrap onto a new line, because the following is true:
50% + 50% + 24px > 100%
box-sizing: margin-box; would solve this issue by including margin in the calculated width of the element. I would find this very useful if not more useful than box-sizing: border-box;.

Couldn't you use width: calc(50% - 24px); for your cols? Then set your margins.

I think we could have a box-sizing: margin-box. The css box model shows exactly, what are the positions of the margins of the frames.
There are minor problems - for example, the margin boxes can overlap - but they aren't hard to solve.
I think, the situation is the same, as we can see with the overflow-x & overflow-y combinations, with the absolut positionied divs in table-cells, with the combination of min|max-width|height with the box-sizing, and so on.
There are features, really simple features, which the browser developers simply doesn't develop.
IMHO, box-sizing: margin-box were a very useful feature. Another useful feature were the box-sizing: padding-box, it exists at least in the standard, but it wasn't implemented in any of the major browsers. Not even in the newest chrome!
Note: #Oriol 's comment: Firefox did implement box-sizing: padding-box. But others didn't, and it was removed from the spec. Firefox will remove it in version 50. Sad.

The guy at the top is asking about adding margin to the overall width, including padding and border. The thing is, margin is applied outside the box and padding and border aren't, when using border-box.
I have tried to achieve the border-margin idea. What I have found is that if using margin you can either add a class of .last to the last item (with margin, then apply a margin of zero, or use :last-child/:last-of-type). Or add equal margins all the way around (similar to the padding version above).
See examples here: http://codepen.io/mofeenster/pen/Anidc
border-box calculates the width of the element + its padding + its border as the total width. So if you have 2 divs which are 50% wide, they will be adjacent. If you add 8px padding to them, then you will have a gutter of 16px. Combine that with a wrapping element - which also has padding of 8px - you will have a nicely laid out grid with equal gutters all the way around.
See this example here: http://codepen.io/mofeenster/pen/vGgje
The latter is my favourite method.

I'm sure all of this is obvious, but I'll type it out anyway because...well, I need the exercise. Would the following outcome not be just as efficient as box-sizing: margin-box;:
.col2 {
width: 45%;
height: 90%;
margin: 5% 2.5%;
-webkit-box-sizing: border-box;
-moz-box-sizing: border-box;
box-sizing: border-box;
float: left;
}
http://jsfiddle.net/Fg3hg/
box-sizing is used to control from which point the padding and border are assessed to the overall size of the element. So while it's not kosher to include px margins with a % width (as is usually always the case), it's easier to calculate what the relative percentage amount should be because you don't have to incorporate padding and borders to the defined width.

This is because the box-sizing attribute refers to the size of an element after computing the given dimension-specific values (padding, borders). "box-sizing: border-box" sets the height/width of an element and takes into consideration the padding as well as the border width. The scope of an element's margin is greater than the element itself, meaning it modifies the flow of the page and its surrounding elements, therefore directly altering the way the element fits within its parent relative to its sibling elements. Ultimately a "margin-box" attribute value would cause major problems and is essentially the same as setting the elements height/width directly.

Dimensions of block-level, non-replaced elements in normal flow must satisfy
margin-left + border-left-width + padding-left + width + padding-right + border-right-width + margin-right = width of containing block
When over-constrained, browsers must adjust either the left or right margin.
I think that means the width of the margin box must equal the width of the containing block (i.e. 100%).
For your case, transparent borders with box-sizing: border-box can work much like margins.

On Codrops there are a couple of good articles on the subject of the effect of margins and row's forced to overflow. They suggest using the rem or em unit with a normalizer css setting font size to 100% for all browsers, then when you set widths and margins it is easy to keep track of the effect on the row's width by simply making a note in comments for the total width. A conversion of 16px to 1 em is the way to calculte the targeted viewports total witdh.
Working like that for the dev stage at least and then if you want 'responsive' templates you can convert widths to % including the margin widths.
The other and often simpler way they suggest to handle gutters is to use the pseudo after and the content: ''; on each of your columns which I find works really well. If you set a div class that is the defined last column such as end you can then target that class not to have the pseudo after, or to have a wider one; which ever best suits your layout.
The added bonus of using this pseudo element method is it also gives you a target for shadows that can give a more 3d effect and greater depth to the flat image on the readers monitor as well. I am experimenting with this effect at the moment by scaling up the effects being used on buttons, 'tweaking' the gradients, and the z-index.

Perhaps set the border to 0% opacity using RGBA and use the border as a margin.

There interesting situation when using box-sizing inside body content
no content no border box gives no any value on left-right margin % recount of this two box recount algoritms
.body{
box-sizing: border-box;
margin:0 3%;
}
Firefox versions before 57 also supported the padding-box value for
box-sizing, though this value was been removed from the specification
and later versions of the browser.
So margin-box even not planned...

There should be a box-sizing: margin-box;
But does the following work:
Put a div around it with
.divX{
width: XX%;
display:flex;
align-items: center;
justify-content: center;
}

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Why padding-left and height are not working the same as padding-bottom and width? [duplicate]

If you look at the CSS box model spec, you'll observe the following:
The [margin] percentage is calculated with respect to the width of the generated box's containing block. Note that this is true for 'margin-top' and 'margin-bottom' as well. If the containing block's width depends on this element, then the resulting layout is undefined in CSS 2.1. (emphasis mine)
This is indeed true. But why? What on earth would compel anyone to design it this way? It's easy to think of scenarios where you want, e.g. a certain thing to always be 25% down from the top of the page, but it's hard to come up with any reason why you would want vertical padding to be relative to the horizontal size of the parent.
Here's an example of the phenomenon I'm referring to:
<div style="border: 1px solid red; margin: 0; padding: 0; width: 200px; height: 800px;">
This div is 200x800.
<div style="border: 1px solid blue; margin: 10% 0 0 10%;">
This div has top-margin of 10% and left-margin of 10% with respect to its parent.
</div>
</div>
http://jsfiddle.net/8JDYD/
Transferring my comment to an answer, because it makes logical sense. However, please note that this is unfounded conjecture. The actual reasoning of why the spec is written this way is still, technically, unknown.
Element height is defined by the height of the
children. If an element has padding-top: 10% (relative to parent
height), that is going to affect the height of the parent. Since the
height of the child is dependent on the height of the parent, and the
height of the parent is dependent on the height of the child, we'll
either have inaccurate height, or an infinite loop. Sure, this only
affects the case where offset parent === parent, but still. It's an
odd case that is difficult to resolve.
Update: The last couple sentences may not be entirely accurate. The height of the leaf element (child with no children) has an effect on the height of all elements above it, so this affects many different situations.
For "n%" margin (and padding) to be the same for margin-top/margin-right/margin-bottom/margin-left, all four have to be relative to the same base. If top/bottom used a different base than left/right', then "n%" margin (and padding) wouldn't mean the same thing on all four sides.
(Also note having the top/bottom margin relative to the width enables a weird CSS hack that allows you to specify a box with an unchanging aspect ratio ...even if the box is rescaled.)
I vote for the answer from #ChuckKollars after playing with this JSFiddle (on Chrome 46.0.2490.86) and referring to this post (written in Chinese).
A major reason against the infinite calculation conjecture is that: using width faces the same infinite calculation problem.
Have a look at this JSFiddle, the parent display is inline-block, which is eligible to define margin/padding on it. The child has margin value 20%. If we follow the infinite calculation conjecture:
The width of the child depends on the parent
The width of the parent depends on the child
But as a result, Chrome stops the calculation somewhere, resulting:
If you try to expand the "result" panel horizontally on the JSFiddle, you will find that the width of them will not change. Please note that the content in the child is wrapped into two lines (not, say, one line), why? I guess Chrome just hard-code it somewhere. If you edit the child content to make it more (JSFiddle), you will find that as long as there is extra space horizontally, Chrome keeps the content two lines.
So we can see: there is some way to prevent the infinite calculation.
I agree with the conjecture that: this design is just to keep the four margin/padding values based on the same measure.
this post (written in Chinese) also proposes another reason is that: it is because of the orientation of reading/typeset. We read from top to down, with the width fixed and height infinite (virtually).
I realize the OP is asking why the CSS specification defines top/bottom margin percentages as a % of width (and not, as would be assumed, height), but I thought it might also be useful to post a potential solution.
Most modern browsers support vw and vh now which lets you specify margin numbers against the viewport width and viewport height.
100vw/100vh equals 100% width/100% height (respectively) if there's no scrollbar; if there is a scrollbar the viewport numbers don't account for this (while the % numbers do). Thankfully, nearly all browsers use scrollbar sizes of 17px (see here), so you can use css calc function to account for this. If you don't know whether a scrollbar will appear or not, then this solution will not work.
For example: Assuming no horizontal scrollbar, a top margin of 50% of height, could be defined as "margin-top: 50vh;". With a horizontal scrollbar, this could be defined as "margin-top: calc(0.5 * (100vh - 17px));" (remember that the minus and plus operators in calc require spaces on both sides!).
I know this question is a bit old, but I'd like to refresh it for CSS3. While it's true that the CSS2.1 specification says that percentage padding and margin are defined relative to the width of the containing block, this is not always the case. It depends on the writing mode. This comes straight from the CSS3 specs:
As a corollary, percentages on the margin and padding properties, which are always calculated with respect to the containing block width in CSS2.1, are calculated with respect to the inline size of the containing block in CSS3.
I cover this in my tutorial on aspect ratios with CSS.
Specifically, there's a section on Percentage Padding in Horizontal vs. Vertical Writing Modes. By default, an element has a horizontal writing mode, where text flows horizontally (in the "inline" direction) from left to right. However, using the writing-mode CSS property, you can actually set the mode to be vertical (with text either flowing from right to left or left to right). Here are some diagrams of horizontal vs vertical writing modes:
These are taken from the MDN docs on writing modes.
In vertical writing modes, percentage padding will be relative to the height of the containing block, not to the width.
Here's proof:
.document {
writing-mode: vertical-rl;
width: 100%;
height: 100vh;
}
.parent {
width: 100%;
height: 200px;
background-color: black;
color: white;
}
.child {
padding: 10%;
background-color: white;
color: black;
border: solid 1px;
}
<div class="document">
<div class="parent">
<div class="child">
Child
</div>
</div>
</div>
The child gets 20px of padding, which is 10% of its containing block's height (200px).
As to the why in the question, this was covered well in the other posts here.

Does "width" overwrite "padding"?

Let's say the width of the containing box is 5cm, padding(all sides) is 2cm.
if I set the width of the content to be 50%. Now the absolute value of the width would be 2.5 cm. But if the padding effect is still there, then the box now would be 2+2.5+2 = 6.5cm. But the content would no longer be 50% of width now(2.5/6.5 != 50%).
I'm kinda confused,any help? Thanks!
Look into the Box Model to understand how this currently works.
It does vary significantly between some browsers (especially older ones).
Not as big a problem as it used to be, but the solution to use box-sizing may not be a universal fix depending on your users (any hold-outs still on IE >8?).
As stated by others you can use the box-sizing property to fit either to the content alone, content with padding, or the entire box w/padding & border (which is probably what you want).
The result is correct. To simplify these calculations you could use box-sizing: border-box to include padding in total width.
border-box
The width and height properties include the padding and border, but not the margin. This is the box model used by Internet Explorer
when the document is in Quirks mode. Note: Padding & border will be
inside of the box e.g. IF .box {width: 350px}; THEN you apply {border:
10px solid black;} RESULT {rendered in the browser} .box {width:
350px;}
Reference: MDN - box-sizing
This is a common problem devs come across.
If I have:
<div style="width: 200px"></div>
Then the width will be 200px wide.
If I add 10px padding, then I need to deduct 20px total from the width.
So to keep it 200px wide it must now be:
<div style="width: 180px; padding: 10px"></div>
It is possible to override this so the width doesn't need to be adjusted according to padding, but I feel you should stay true to CSS's intended way of working.
With does not override padding, the padding is added to the width.
Think of padding as extra width but outside of the element.
The width will not override the padding but the padding will still be
there so other elements will be pushed away from their position (if
relative).
Edit: Confused padding with margin.

max-height ignored when percentage padding defines element height

The max-height property value seems to be ignored when the inner padding is greater than the max-height value. For example, setting this class on an element causes the max-height to be ignored.
.max-height-ignored {
height: 0; /* or auto, makes no difference */
max-height: 40px;
padding: 0 0 50% 50%;
}
demo here
In my situation, It would be a pain to wrap the element to prevent overflow and was just wondering if there was a reason behind this not working.
The min/max width/height properties never take any other box dimensions into account, neither borders nor padding. They only constrain the used values of the width and height properties respectively. Section 10 of CSS2.1 does not explicitly mention borders or padding in the prose for the min/max properties, but it does refer to the width and height properties, both of which refer to content dimensions.
If you set height: 50px, the element will still be constrained to a content height of 40px. The padding then extends from the content area.
Unfortunately, it appears box-sizing: border-box does not address this fully, at least not when the borders and/or padding are in excess of width and height.
While I can infer that this happens as a result of browsers following the spec, why the spec was written this way I cannot answer objectively. Given that padding and overflow clipping can work together, I don't think the reason for this behavior has anything to do with overflow.
It might be obvious, but as a work around, you might be able to limit the width of the wrapper using max-width. In my particular case, this required a max-width: 50vh (vh: percentage of viewport height).

CSS: 100% width and margin

Please see example at
http://jsfiddle.net/cne94hw4/
.a{
width: 100%;
background-color: #eee;
margin-left: 200px;
}
I was expecting "width 100%" will mean 100% of the windows, but clearly it's not when I add a margin to it. I found this is difficult to understand.
What's the exact relationship of the box and the margin? It's there any written rule for this?
Your question is about the CSS Box model, which is described in detail at the CSS specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html
In brief, the width defines the width of the content box. If you add padding, borders
and margins, then the overall width of the block box is the width of the content box plus
any widths due to padding, borders and margins.
As for the height, padding and border widths are added to the overall heigth of the
block. Margins, though, can collapse with the margins of adjacent blocks, which is
another topic to look at (see: collapsing margins).
Another concept is the block formatting context, which comes into play if you
deal with elements that may be floated or positioned.
In your example, the overall width of the a element is 100% plus 200px due to the
left margin.
Finally, you can have some control over how the width is computed by using the box-sizing property.
width: 100%' does mean100%` of the document your example, but you also set a margin, which is what's limiting the width of the element. See what happens when you remove it.
try the following
.class{
width:100%;
padding-left:200px;
box-sizing:border-box;
}
margin adds extra space out of the box.

How can I make a child element be constrained by its parent’s width in CSS?

I have an element within another element. The parent is of a certain size. I want the child to be the exact same size, but at the same time have a padding.
If I don't know the exact size of the parent, is there any way to get it to be the same size as the parent and have a padding?
problem:
http://jsbin.com/odemu3/edit
Thanks.
On supported browsers, set box-sizing to border-box (CSS3 only). This causes the browser to calculate the width of an element as content + padding + border + margin (as opposed to content-box in the CSS1/2 box model):
input {
-moz-box-sizing: border-box;
-webkit-box-sizing: border-box;
box-sizing: border-box;
}
I believe inputs already have this setting by default, but this can also apply to any other child elements whose widths you want calculated like that.
Make the child element display:block (which will cause it to fill the width of the parent) and either give the parent padding or give the child a margin. Do not try to specify a width on the child element.
Unfortunately, no. Width calculations are done before any padding/margins are taken into account, so a child with width 100% will be 100% of the parent's, after which margins/padding are added, so you'll end up with something over 100%.
You can fake the effect by putting on a border of the same color as the background. This would work, since you've got a solid background for the child to span over.
Not a perfect solution but it worked
Remove left and right padding padding:20px 0; and set text-indent:20px; on input
http://jsbin.com/aleta4/2/edit
block-sizing: border-box didn't work for my particular problem but there is another way for those coming back to this question:
use position: absolute along with right:0 (or bottom for vertical constraints) to constrain the child to the parent. The parent element should have position: relative and it is forced to fit perfectly.

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