Who is the server and who is the client in UDP? - networking

In TCP, you can differentiate between servers and clients, because servers are those who bind and accept (TCP listeners) and clients just connect to those servers. Both can send and receive.
But, in UDP how do you differentiate between servers and clients? There is no special behavior to differentiate between servers or clients in UDP, right? It seems that we can only classify machines involved in a UDP connection as senders and receivers. A server could be either, or both. It can receive data from many clients or it can send data to many clients (e.g. multicast server).
Please correct me if I am wrong and point me to the correct forum if I posted the question in the wrong one.
Thanks.

There isn't a server or a client with UDP. There are just peers.

Think about UDP as a Sender -> Receiver communication instead of Client <=> Server.
Since UDP is a connectionless protocol a response from the Receiver may or may not happen. That (among other things) is why TCP is considered more reliable but slower than UDP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectionless_protocol
http://www.diffen.com/difference/TCP_vs_UDP

Not an expert with networking, but this is my understanding.
TCP and UDP are network protocols i.e. dealing with how data is to be transferred between nodes. If you were to look at the packet structure for both TCP and UDP, you will find that both have a source node section and a destination node section. Moreover, a physical machine will still exist as the source of information even in UDP. Whether, you call it server or just a client is a decision which the architecture of the system shall decide.
So, I think you are referring to a level above transmission of data i.e. in my understanding an architecture of network application. That is when we talk about client server applications, and may be P2P kind of an architecture where there can be multiple physical machines providing data. So, the terminology depends on which context are you referring.
To answer your question, yes a server and client can exist in both TCP and UDP. Let the architects decide!
Hope it helps!

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Why is UDP required at all when some protocols ride directly over IP?

As I understand it TCP is required for congestion control and error recovery or reliable delivery of information from one node to another and its not the fastest of protocols for delivering information.
Some routing protocols such as EIGRP and OSPF ride directly on top of IP. Even ICMP rides directly over IP.
Why is UDP even required at all? Is it only required so that developers/programmers can identify what application the inbound packet should be sent to based on the destination port number contained within the packet?
If that is the case then how is information gathered from protocols that ride directly on top of IP sent to the appropriate process when there is no port number information present?
Why are voice and video sent over UDP? Why not directly over IP?
(Note that I do understand thoroughly the use case for TCP. I am not asking why use UDP over TCP or vice versa. I am asking why use UDP at all and how can some protocols use directly the IP layer. Whats the added advantage or purpose of UDP over IP?)
Your question makes more sense in terms of why is UDP useful (than why is UDP required).
UDP is a recognized protocol by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. UDP can be useful if you want to write a network protocol that's datagram based and you want to play more nicely with Internet devices.
Routers can have rules to do things like drop any packet that doesn't make sense. So if you try and send packets using say an unassigned IP protocol number between hosts separated by one or more routers, the packets may well never get delivered as you've intended. The same could happen with packets from an unrecognized UDP protocol but that's at least one less door to worry about whether your packet can make it through.
Internet endpoints (like hosts) may do similar filtering too. If you want to write your own datagram based protocol and use a typical host operating system, you're more likely to need to write your software as a privileged process if not as a kernel extension if you're trying to ride it as its own IP protocol (than if you'll be using UDP).
Hope this answer is useful!
First of all, IP and UDP are protocols on the different layers, IP by definition is Internet layer when UDP is transport layer. Layers were introduced to simplify network protocols architecture and to separate concerns. Application layer protocols are supposed to be based on transport layer (with some exceptions).
Most popular transport protocols (in IP network) are UDP and TCP. While TCP is feature rich but with many tradeoffs UDP is very simple but gives a lot of freedom and so typically is a base for other protocols.
The main feature of UDP is multiplexing: ports that allow multiple protocol instances (aka sockets) to coexist on the same node. This means that implementing your own protocol over IP instead of UDP either you won't be able to have multiple instances of your protocol on the same machine or you'll have to implement multiplexing yourself.
There're other features like segmentation and checksum. These features are not mandatory.
And as was mentioned in another answer there're lots of middleware like routers, NATs and firewalls that can ruin the idea of a custom "right over IP" protocol, but it's more like a collateral damage than a feature of UDP.

UDP vs TCP in local network application with application-level ack system

i have a question about the trasport layer of the iso/osi network stack.
It's common to think that TCP is reliable but slow and UDP is fast but not reliable.
In several network applications, it is mandatory to implement an application-level ACK system also with TCP transport protocol in order to manage link interruptions and so on.
Assuming that the application scenario is this: local (small) network, typical small packet size (max 512 bytes), application-level ack system implementation. Why not use the protocol UDP as transport protocol in order to exploit its features such as speed, low latency and broadcast communication?
Thanks to all.
If you don't care about the Delivery (failure or successful delivery) of your message than UDP will be always a best choice.. But if you want to be sure whether the message is delivered or failed than think about other protocols rather than UDP.
In a small LAN it shouldnt be a big problem to use UDP, when the transferd Data isnt too "important" (which means if a packet is lost its no problem). More informations about the scenario are nessesary, if you use UDP you have to implement functions that check if you received all the information of the sender manually.
if you need the speed and if some lost packets are no problem (Voice Chat for instance) then use UDP.

If TCP is connection oriented why do packets follow different paths?

According to my knowledge if an internet application has to be designed, we should use either a connection-oriented service or connection-less service, but not both.
Internet's connection oriented service is TCP and connection-less service is UDP, and both resides in the transport layer of Internet Protocol stack.
Internet's only network layer is IP, which is a connection-less service. So it means whatever application we design it eventually uses IP to transmit the packets.
Connection-oriented services use the same path to transmit all the packets, and connection-less does not.
Therefore my problem is
if a connection oriented application has been designed, it should transmit the packets using the same path. But IP breaks that rule by using different routes.So how do both TCP and IP work together in this sense? It totally confuses me.
You, my friend, are confusing the functionality of two different layers.
TCP is connection oriented in the sense that there's a connection establishment, between the two ends where they may negotiate different things like congestion-control mechanism among other things.
The transport layer protocols' general purpose is to provide process-to-process delivery meaning that it doesn't know anything about routes; how your packets reach the end system is beyond their scope, they're only concerned with how packets are being transmitted between the two end PROCESSES.
IP, on the other hand, the Network layer protocol for the Internet, is concerned with data-delivery between end-systems yet it's connection-less, it maintains no connection so each packet is handled independently of the other packets.
Leaving your system, each router will choose the path that it sees fit for EACH packet, and this path may change depending on availability/congestion.
How does that answer your question?
TCP will make sure packets reach the other process, it won't care HOW they got there.
IP, on the other hand, will not care if they reach the other end at all, it'll simply forward each different packet according to what it sees most fit for a particular packet.
Note:
Let's assume that IP was connection-oriented, would that mean packets would follow the same-path?
Not necessarily, it depends on what the word 'connection' at this layer means, if it means negotiating certain options related to security, for instance, you may still have all your packets being forwarded through different routes over the Internet.
EDIT:
Not to confuse you though, most connection-oriented services at the network-layer and below mean that the connection, when established, also establishes a virtual-path that all 'packets' must follow, for further information read about:
Virtual circuit and frame-relay networks
This link answers your question pretty well http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_ConnectionOrientedandConnectionlessProtocols-3.htm
Some people consider this (TCP) to be like a “simulation” of circuit-switching at higher network layers; this is perhaps a bit of a dubious analogy. Even though a TCP connection can be used to send data back and forth between devices, all that data is indeed still being sent as packets; there is no real circuit between the devices. This means that TCP must deal with all the potential pitfalls of packet-switched communication, such as the potential for data loss or receipt of data pieces in the incorrect order.
The TCP protocol deals with the problem of IP packets arriving out of order or being lost, to give you the feeling they arrive through a single FIFO channel. Yes, TCP is smart enough to do that, there's no need for a dedicated underlying channel.
The TCP protocal is implemented by the sending/receiving machines, once the packets leave the sending machine, the routers they travel along know nothing about TCP, they just use IP to get the packets from the source the to destination. Then, it is the destination machines job to, using TCP, make sure that all the packets arrive and that they arrive in the correct order. The internet itself doesn't know anything about TCP, it's just a layer (often software) that gives connection to a connectionless medium (the internet).
So onces a packet leaves a destination, it can go along any path (mostly) as long as it gets to the desintation, regardless of the higher level protocol (such as TCP or UDP).
I mean, it's a bit more complicated then that, but as far as I can remember that's the general Idea.
Refer my short points properly,
1) Connection oriented means ==> reserving resources(buffer,cpu,bandwidth etc.)..but "Where??".(where resources are reserved?? This where is reason of your confusion, so following is ans.).
2) Connection oriented at Transport Layer means ==> Reserving the resources at Both End processes/Ports.(Since TCP is a transport layer,then its responsibility is to reserve the resources at both end processes only,irrespective of whats happening in the intermediate path.)
3) Connection oriented at Network Layer means ==> Reserving the resources at Network Layers.(Now In the whole journey of a packet from source to destination, Network layer is found at all intermediate routers too(but not transport layer). Hence if any protocol at Network layer is connection oriented then,its responsibility is to reserve resources at all intermediate routeres too i.e. all packets will have to follow same intermediate path, But IP is connection less hence,intermediate resources will not be reserved. i.e journey of a packets may follow different paths etc.)
#CONCLUSION:==> Intermediate path is decided by Network Layer, hence if IP then paths may be different.(IP may contain TCP),But TCP is responsible for Resource reservation at both End processes ,irrespective of Intermediate path of packet.
router works on three layers only (physical , data link and Network layers) , so routers will take decision depending only on the info. of network layer (IP protocol ) hence there is no information available about its TCP or UDP at the router

TCP vs UDP - What is a TCP connection? [duplicate]

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What exactly is a TCP connection?
I understand there isn't a physical connection from the client to server. Is this connection just the client's socket being linked with the new socket created by the server after the three-way-handshake?
Thereafter once the "connection" is set up, the sockets on either ends of the connection then know where to send their packets.
How does this differ from the way UDP functions other than the initial handshake with TCP?
Is it that each server socket only has one client that sends packets to that particular socket?
What are some possible advantages of having a dedicated connection between hosts? My understanding of TCP and UDP is still very basic, so broad generalizations should suffice.
Let's break this up into parts. First of, the network is based in IP, which is a protocol that assigns an address to each network node, and which allows you to send small amounts of data (usually up to 64kB, but typically only 1500B) from one node to another.
That by itself isn't worth much yet, because we can't make any checks that the data actually arrived, and that it arrived in the right order. If we want an abstract mechanism to transmit arbitrary amounts of data and ensure that they arrived, we need another protocol on top of the network that handles this "transmission". And that's the purpose of TCP.
However, in parallel to TCP, there's another "transmission" protocol that doesn't do any checking at all and has no reliability, UDP. UDP is just a thin wrapper around raw IP packets, which adds a little bit of meta data (like a port number).
UDP is still useful, though, since there are many situations in which the data integrity is already handed off to an even higher protocol, so there's no need for a complex transmission protocol. This is for example used in virtual networking services, where another instance of TCP/IP is typically run over a UDP channel. (Making the channel use a reliable protocol like TCP can actually have disastrous consequences in that case due to resend cascades.)
So the term "TCP connection" refers to the application of the TCProtocol. The protocol is stateful, naturally, and typically proceeds in a SYN-ACK-data-FIN sequence, or SYN/RST in case of a rejected transmission; both peers maintain a status of the connection (handshake, established, closing, closed.) TCP also introduces the terms "server" and "client", the server being the peer that listen()s for an incoming connection.
The main difference between TCP and UDP sockets is that UDP is conectionless and doesn't use any confirmation that the other end received the data.
The Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) is one of the core protocols of the Internet Protocol Suite. TCP is one of the two original components of the suite, complementing the Internet Protocol (IP), and therefore the entire suite is commonly referred to as TCP/IP. TCP provides reliable, ordered delivery of a stream of bytes from a program on one computer to another program on another computer. TCP is the protocol that major Internet applications such as the World Wide Web, email, remote administration and file transfer rely on. Other applications, which do not require reliable data stream service, may use the User Datagram Protocol (UDP), which provides a datagram service that emphasizes reduced latency over reliability.1

What are examples of TCP and UDP in real life?

I know the difference between the two on a technical level.
But in real life, can anyone provide examples (the more the better) of applications (uses) of TCP and UDP to demonstrate the difference?
UDP: Anything where you don't care too much if you get all data always
Tunneling/VPN (lost packets are ok - the tunneled protocol takes care of it)
Media streaming (lost frames are ok)
Games that don't care if you get every update
Local broadcast mechanisms (same application running on different machines "discovering" each other)
TCP: Almost anything where you have to get all transmitted data
Web
SSH, FTP, telnet
SMTP, sending mail
IMAP/POP, receiving mail
EDIT: I'm not going to bother explaining the differences, since you state that you already know and every other answer explains it anyway :)
UDP is mailing a letter at the post office.
TCP is mailing a letter with a return receipt at the post office, except that the post master will organize the letters in-order-of mailing and only deliver them in-order.
Well, it was an attempt anyway.
TCP:
World Wide Web(HTTP)
E-mail (SMTP TCP)
File Transfer Protocol (FTP)
Secure Shell (SSH)
UDP:
Domain Name System (DNS)
Streaming media applications such as movies
Online multiplayer games
Voice over IP (VoIP)
Trivial File Transfer Protocol (TFTP)
REAL TIME APPLICATION FOR TCP:
Email:
Reason: suppose if some packet(words/statement) is missing we cannot understand the content.It should be reliable.
REAL TIME APPLICATION FOR UDP:
video streaming:
* **Reason: ***suppose if some packet(frame/sequence) is missing we can understand the content.Because video is collection of frames.For 1 second video there should be
25 frames(image).Even though we can understand some frames are missing due to our imagination skills. Thats why UDP is used for video streaming.
The classic standpoint is to consider TCP as safe and UDP as unreliable.
But when TCP-IP protocols are used in safety critical applications,
TCP is not recommended because it can stop on error for multiple reasons.
Whereas UDP lets the application software deal with errors, retransmission timers, etc.
Moreover, TCP has more processing overhead than UDP.
Currently, UDP is used in aircraft controls and flight instruments,
in the ARINC 664 standard also named AFDX (Avionics Full-Duplex Switched Ethernet).
In ARINC 664, TCP is optional but UDP is used with the RTOS (real time operating systems) designed for the ARINC 653 standard (high reliability control software in civil aircrafts).
For more information about real time controls using IP and UDP in AFDX,
you can read the pages 27 to 50 in
http://www.afdx.com/pdf/AFDX_Training_October_2010_Full.pdf
TCP
I will not send data anymore until i get an acknowledgment.
this process is slow
It is used for security purpose
example: web, sending mail, receiving mail etc
UDP
Here i have no headache with acknowledgment.
this process is faster but here data can be lost .
example : video streaming , online games etc
TCP + UDP = SMTP(example : mobile,telephone)
TCP guarantees (in-order) packet delivery. UDP doesn't.
TCP - used for traffic that you need all the data for. i.e HTML, pictures, etc.
UDP - used for traffic that doesn't suffer much if a packet is dropped, i.e. video & voice streaming, some data channels of online games, etc.
TCP is a connection oriented protocol, It establishes a path, or a virtual connection all the way through switches routers proxies etc and then starts any communication. Various mechanisms like routing djikstras shortest path algorithm exist to establish the virtual end to end connection. So it finds itself used while browsing HTML and other pages, making payments and web applications in general.
UDP is a connectionless protocol - it simply has a destination and nodes simply pass it along if it comes as best as they can. So packets arriving out of order, along various routes etc are common. So Instant messengers and similar software developers think UDP an ideal solution.
In real life if you want to throw data in the net, without worrying about time taken to reach, order of reaching use UDP. If you want a solid path before you start throwing packets, and want same order and latency for your data packets use TCP - I will use UDP for Torrents and TCP for PayPal!
TCP :
Transmission Control Protocol is a connection-oriented protocol, which means that it requires handshaking to set up end-to-end communications. Once a connection is set up, user data may be sent bi-directionally over the connection.
Reliable – Strictly only at transport layer, TCP manages message acknowledgment, retransmission and timeout. Multiple attempts to deliver the message are made. If it gets lost along the way, the server will re-request the lost part. In TCP, there's either no missing data, or, in case of multiple timeouts, the connection is dropped. (This reliability however does not cover application layer, at which a separate acknowledgement flow control is still necessary)
Ordered – If two messages are sent over a connection in sequence, the first message will reach the receiving application first. When data segments arrive in the wrong order, TCP buffers delay the out-of-order data until all data can be properly re-ordered and delivered to the application.
Heavyweight – TCP requires three packets to set up a socket connection, before any user data can be sent. TCP handles reliability and congestion control.
Streaming – Data is read as a byte stream, no distinguishing indications are transmitted to signal message (segment) boundaries.
Applications of TCP
World Wide Web, email, remote administration, and file transfer rely on TCP.
UDP :
User Datagram Protocol is a simpler message-based connectionless protocol. Connectionless protocols do not set up a dedicated end-to-end connection. Communication is achieved by transmitting information in one direction from source to destination without verifying the readiness or state of the receiver.
Unreliable – When a UDP message is sent, it cannot be known if it will reach its destination; it could get lost along the way. There is no concept of acknowledgment, retransmission, or timeout.
Not ordered – If two messages are sent to the same recipient, the order in which they arrive cannot be predicted.
Lightweight – There is no ordering of messages, no tracking connections, etc. It is a small transport layer designed on top of IP.
Datagrams – Packets are sent individually and are checked for integrity only if they arrive. Packets have definite boundaries which are honored upon receipt, meaning a read operation at the receiver socket will yield an entire message as it was originally sent.
No congestion control – UDP itself does not avoid congestion. Congestion control measures must be implemented at the application level.
Broadcasts – being connectionless, UDP can broadcast - sent packets can be addressed to be receivable by all devices on the subnet.
Multicast – a multicast mode of operation is supported whereby a single datagram packet can be automatically routed without duplication to very large numbers of subscribers.
Applications of UDP
Numerous key Internet applications use UDP, including: the Domain Name System (DNS), where queries must be fast and only consist of a single request followed by a single reply packet, the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP), the Routing Information Protocol (RIP) and the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP).
Voice and video traffic is generally transmitted using UDP. Real-time video and audio streaming protocols are designed to handle occasional lost packets, so only slight degradation in quality occurs, rather than large delays if lost packets were retransmitted. Because both TCP and UDP run over the same network, many businesses are finding that a recent increase in UDP traffic from these real-time applications is hindering the performance of applications using TCP, such as point of sale, accounting, and database systems. When TCP detects packet loss, it will throttle back its data rate usage. Since both real-time and business applications are important to businesses, developing quality of service solutions is seen as crucial by some.
Some VPN systems such as OpenVPN may use UDP while implementing reliable connections and error checking at the application level.
TCP is appropriate when you have to move a decent amount of data (> ~1 kB), and you require all of it to be delivered. Almost all data that moves across the internet does so via TCP - HTTP, SMTP, BitTorrent, SSH, etc, all use TCP.
UDP is appropriate when you have small messages which you can afford to lose, and would like to send them as efficiently as possible. One reason you might be able to afford to lose them is because you can re-send them if they get lost. The main example on the internet is DNS - DNS consists of small queries saying things like "what is the IP number for stackoverflow.com?", and the responses are correspondingly small. Computers make a lot of these queries, so they should be made efficiently, but if they get lost en route, it's easy to time out and re-send them.
TCP guarantees packet delivery AND order. Order is almost as important as the delivery in the first place when reconstructing data for files such as executables, etc.
UDP does not guarantee delivery NOR order. Packets can arrive (or not!) in any order.
Common uses for TCP include file transfer where the integrity of the packets is paramount. Voice/video applications can afford to lose some data while still maintaining acceptable quality, and so usually use UDP.
One additional thought on some of the comments above that talks about ordered delivery.... It must be clarified that the destination computer may receive packets out of order on the wire, but the TCP at the destination is responsible for "rearranging out-of-order data" before passing it on to the upper layers of the stack. When you say TCP guarantees ordered packet delivery, what that means is it will deliver packets in correct order to the upper layers of the stack.
SCTP vs TCP vs UDPServices/Features SCTP TCP UDP
Connection-oriented yes yes no
Full duplex yes yes yes
Reliable data transfer yes yes no
Partial-reliable data transfer optional no no
Ordered data delivery yes yes no
Unordered data delivery yes no yes
Flow control yes yes no
Congestion control yes yes no
ECN capable yes yes no
Selective ACKs yes optional no
Preservation of message boundaries yes no yes
Path MTU discovery yes yes no
Application PDU fragmentation yes yes no
Application PDU bundling yes yes no
Multistreaming yes no no
Multihoming yes no no
Protection against SYN flooding attacks yes no n/a
Allows half-closed connections no yes n/a
Reachability check yes yes no
Psuedo-header for checksum no (vtags) yes yes
Time wait state vtags 4-tuple n/a
Since tcp usages are pretty straightforward from other answers, I'll mention some interesting UDP use-cases:
1)DHCP - Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol, which is being used in order to dynamically assign IP address and some other network configuration to the connecting devices. In simple words, this protocol allows you just connect to the network cable(or wifi) and start using the internet, without any additional configurations. DHCP uses UDP protocol. Since the settings request message is being broadcasted from the host and there is no way to establish a TCP connection with DHCP server(you don't know it's address) it's impossible to use TCP instead.
2)Traceroute - well-known network diagnostic tool which allows you to explore which path in the network your datagram passes to reach it's destination(and how much time it takes). By default, it works by sending UDP datagram with unlikely destination port number(ranging from 33434 to 33534) to the destination with the ttl(time-to-live) field set to 1. When the router somewhere in the network gets such datagram - it finds out that the datagram is expired. Then, the router drops the datagram and sends to the origin of the datagram an ICMP(Internet Control Message Protocol) error message indicating that the datagram's ttl was expired and containing router's name and IP address. Each time the host sends datagrams with higher and higher TTL, thus increasing the network part which it succeeds to overcome and getting new ICMP messages from new routers. When it eventually reaches it's destination(datagrams TTL is big enough to allow it),- the destination host sends 'Destination port unreachable' ICMP message to the origin host. This way, Traceroute knows that the destination was reached. Since the TCP guarantees segments delivery it would be at least inefficient to use it instead of UDP which, in turn, allows datagram to be just dropped without any resend attempts(resend is implemented on the higher level, with continuously increasing TTL as described above).
TCP: will get there in meaningful order
UDP: god knows (maybe)
UDP is applied a lot in games or other Peer-to-peer setups because it's faster and most of the time you don't need the protocol itself to make sure everything gets to the destination in the original order (UDP does not garantee packet delivery or delivery order).
Web traffic on the other hand is over TCP. (I'm not sure here but I think it has to do with the way the HTTP protocol is built)
Edited because I failed at UDP.
Real life examples of both TCP and UDP
tcp -> a phone call, sms or anything specific to destination
UDP -> a FM radio channel (AM), Wi-Fi.

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