Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/QVBGx.png
It is pretty evident that my site renders different on Chrome and FF7 on my Win7 machine
I am using this:
h1, h2 {font-family: "Lucida Grande", "Helvetica Neue", Arial; }
Does anybody can point me how can I even these diffs? I don't want fonts with different 'feelings' on each browser.
The font, Lucida Grande is installed in my Windows machine
EDIT:
font-weight: normal !important
doesn't work either
It looks like the two browsers are rendering it with a different weight.
I can think of two possibilities, though I don't know if either are correct.
You requested a bold font, but that font is not available in bold. One browser is just showing the regular, non-bold variant unchanged, whereas the other has processed it to look bold.
You requested a particular weight of font, say "bold" or "600" but the installed fonts do not precisely match that weighting. One browser is substituting an "extra-bold" variant of font, and the other a "regular-bold", or something of this nature.
If either of these is correct you could play around with the font-weight CSS property to try and alter it. But then that may affect substitution of whichever font is chosen in the case that it is viewed on a system with no Lucida Grande font at all.
Fonts will always render slightly different from one browser to another, but that was a bit more difference than usual. Probably because the headers have font-weight: bold; as default, and the font doesn't have a bold variation so the browsers create the bold style from the regular weight in different ways.
Anyway, you might want to use more common fonts. On my Windows 7 machine there is neither Lucida Grande nor Helvetica Neue, so it would render using Arial. Still, I have the additional fonts that come with both MS Office and Photoshop, so I have a lot more fonts installed than you can expect from a standard system.
Also, you should always specify a generic font as the last resort, in this case sans serif, otherwise it would render using the default font if none of the fonts are installed, which is something like Times Roman which has a completely different look. Perhaps also adding Helvetica, which is the closest equivalent of Arial on non-Windows systems.
Related
When I inspect elements on my site using the Chrome developer tool, I see the following as my element's "Computed" style:
font-family: "HelveticaNeue-Medium", "Helvetica Neue Medium", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, "Roboto", Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif
But if I scroll down further (to the bottom of the "Computed" tab) I see:
Rendered Fonts
Liberation Sans—Local file(11 glyphs)
Since my (Linux) OS must have Arial and sans-serif, I'm confused as to why Chrome would pick "Liberation Sans": it isn't even on my font-family list.
I'd blame my own bad CSS, but in theory the "Computed" tab shows the final/processed version of my rules, so however terrible my original CSS may have been, Chrome clearly sees my font-family list defined (and being applied) to my element ... it just ignores it.
Can anyone explain this mystery?
EDIT: I installed a font-checking program and it turns out that Linux (Mint) does not in fact come with an Arial or sans-serif font ... but even so, I thought browsers provided (at least) a basic sans-serif font, no matter what the OS? Is that incorrect?
Your font stack specifies Arial.
Arial is not present on most Linux systems for licensing reasons, and it is usually aliased to Liberation Sans, since Liberation Sans has the same dimensions (metrics) as Arial. The font design, however, is different (that's why Liberation Sans is usually not the default Linux sans serif font, its design is not popular).
Helvetica is another well-known legacy font name usually not present. If you try to use it in the font stack it will usually trigger all kinds of aliasing. It may even trigger the Liberation Sans alias before Arial (since Arial was Microsoft's poor-man Helvetica replacement when windows launched and has about the same metrics).
(When you create a PDF that specifies Helvetica on Windows it will usually substitute ArialMT).
If you only specify sans-serif you will get the system "best" sans-serif font, usually clean well-loved designs, but their dimensions vary widely from system to system.
Due to the number of broken web sites whose designers assume all systems ship with the same fonts, with identical pixel widths that can be fixed in the page design, font substitution is usually done on metric first, design second priorities.
The only way to get the same font on all clients is to use web fonts, but that will slow down your site due to the font download and users (not "designers") prefer fast pages. Web fonts demand to be careful about licensing and font unicode coverage, security-conscious users will block third-party downloads, and there is a lot of cargo-culting about obscure web font formats (opentype is sufficient in most browsers nowadays).
The kind of Apple maniac that thinks HelveticaNeue is the alpha and omega is usually satisfied with Open Sans as web font.
But even with web fonts the rendering will be slightly different since different systems use different text engines that all have their specifics, with some fonts working better than others for a given engine.
There are two font fallback mechanisms in Chrome for Linux. One is OS-level fallback. Another one is CSS specified fallback. The OS-level fallback mechanism returns Liberation Sans to Chrome instead of none or not found while Chrome asking if the HelveticaNeue available in your OS. Chrome takes the returned Liberation Sans and believes OS returned answer so ignores the CSS subsequent font fallback list.
I see that you have both Helvetica and Arial in your font-family properties. I'm guessing that you want Arial when Helvetica is not available...An answered question that deals with this is: two fonts
Now, if I wanted to have only one font-family, such as Century Gothic, I would do:
font-family: "Century Gothic", CenturyGothic, AppleGothic, Sans-Serif;
This is a good guide.
My question is, why do you have so many
Because Google Chrome, somethiing leave the WWW from the url, you can try to put it manually.
Especially in Unix or Mac system.
I have two website hosted on different server, there are elements that i have set the same font-family as 'TheSans', I am sure they both are not overwritten, the 'theSans' is the real and final value in css, but the font of these 2 pages just look differently with same browser. I checked on my pc and found that I don't have this 'theSans' font installed, so what actually happened there?
if the browser does not find the font, what font it will use? why the behavior is different in same browser.
If a browser doesn't have the font, it will fall back to the other options specified in the css font-familyrule. If no addition options are specified it will just use its default. eg. below it will use Helvetica if installed, if not it will use arial, if no arial it will just pick what every sans-serif font it has
font-family: Helvetica, arial , san-serif;
Link about font-family
Now that being said, wouldn't it be nice to give the browser the font if it doesn't have it? And that is where the #font-face CSS rule comes in
related question here
About #font-face
I'm doing a Photoshop-to-XHTML conversion, and the website designer used the Myriad Pro Semi-bold font which looks good in the photoshop file, but when I try the semi-bold option in CSS, it looks pretty much like a normal bold font, which is too bold for my purpose. Is there a way to achieve a nicer looking semi-bold font in HTML and CSS or am I just stuck with 'font-weight: 600;'?
In CSS, for the font-weight property, the value: normal defaults to the numeric value 400, and bold to 700.
If you want to specify other weights, you need to give the number value. That number value needs to be supported for the font family that you are using.
For example you would define semi-bold like this:
font-weight: 600;
Here an JSFiddle using 'Open Sans' font family, loaded with the above weights.
The practical way is setting font-family to a value that is the specific name of the semibold version, such as
font-family: "Myriad pro Semibold"
if that’s the name. (Personally I use my own font listing tool, which runs on Internet Explorer only to see the fonts in my system by names as usable in CSS.)
In this approach, font-weight is not needed (and probably better not set).
Web browsers have been poor at implementing font weights by the book: they largely cannot find the specific weight version, except bold. The workaround is to include the information in the font family name, even though this is not how things are supposed to work.
Testing with Segoe UI, which often exists in different font weight versions on Windows systems, I was able to make Internet Explorer 9 select the proper version when using the logical approach (of using the font family name Segoe UI and different font-weight values), but it failed on Firefox 9 and Chrome 16 (only normal and bold work). On all of these browsers, for example, setting font-family: Segoe UI Light works OK.
For me the following works good. Just add it. You can edit it as per your requirement. This is just a nice trick I use.
text-shadow : 0 0 0 #your-font-color;
font-family: 'Open Sans'; font-weight: 600; important to change to a different font-family
By mid-2016 the Chromium engine (v53) supports just 3 emphasis styles:
Plain text, bold, and super-bold...
<div style="font:normal 400 14px Arial;">Testing</div>
<div style="font:normal 700 14px Arial;">Testing</div>
<div style="font:normal 800 14px Arial;">Testing</div>
Select fonts by specifying the weights you need on load
Font-families consist of several distinct fonts
For example, extra-bold will make the font look quite different in say, Photoshop, because you're selecting a different font. The same applies to italic font, which can look very different indeed. Setting font-weight:800 or font-style:italic may result in just a best effort of the web browser to fatten or slant the normal font in the family.
Even though you're loading a font-family, you must specify the weights and styles you need for some web browsers to let you select a different font in the family with font-weight and font-style.
Example
This example specifies the light, normal, normal italic, bold, and extra-bold fonts in the font family Open Sans:
<html>
<head>
<link rel="stylesheet"
href="https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Open+Sans:100,400,400i,600,800">
<style>
body {
font-family: 'Open Sans', serif;
font-size: 48px;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<div style="font-weight:400">Didn't work with all the fonts</div>
<div style="font-weight:600">Didn't work with all the fonts</div>
<div style="font-weight:800">Didn't work with all the fonts</div>
</body>
</html>
Reference
(Quora warning, please remove if not allowed.)
https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-make-Open-Sans-extra-bold-once-imported-from-Google-Fonts
Testing
Tested working in Firefox 66.0.3 on Mac and Firefox 36.0.1 in Windows.
Non-Google fonts
Other fonts must be uploaded to the server, style and weight specified by their individual names.
System fonts
Assume nothing, font-wise, about what device is visiting your website or what fonts are installed on its OS.
(You may use the fall-backs of serif and sans-serif, but you will get the font mapped to these by the individual web browser version used, within the fonts available in the OS version it's running under, and not what you designed.)
Testing should be done with the font temporarily uninstalled from your system, to be sure that your design is in effect.
In various browsers, when a specific font is used (e.g. - Helvetica Neue), if that font is not found, the first font in the immediate family is used. So if I were to specify that Arial Narrow was the base font style for an element and my reader did not have this font, it would travel to the first available Arial font the system could find.
As an exercise, many sites like the Helvetica fonts (particularly the 'Neue' and 'Condensed' versions). They typically specify font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; believing that the browser will travel along this particular path and each font should be yummy with the first listed being the yummiest. However, Firefox/IE/Chrome (so I assume webkit browsers) all will fail to the find the specific Helvetica font required and move directly to the first font they encounter in the Helvetica family. One would think this would be Helvetica, but on my system it was defaulting to Helvetica 95 Black. I even tried renaming the font file to see if that was the cause, and no matter the filename, the result was that the page would default to Helvetica Black. I've found this to be the case with Arial as well.
So other than attempting to account for every single flavor of Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, Tahoma, ad infinitum, is there a way to force the browser to stop "guessing" at the family and accept only the exact font in question?
For starters, here's a description of the font matching algorithm as outlined in the CSS 2.1 specification (or CSS 3, if you prefer). This is a tricky issue though, as is evidenced by the disclaimer before the algorithm's details are outlined:
Because there is no accepted, universal taxonomy of font properties, matching of properties to font faces must be done carefully. The properties are matched in a well-defined order to insure that the results of this matching process are as consistent as possible across UAs (assuming that the same library of font faces is presented to each of them).
Also, note that you must enclose any font name containing whitespace with either single or double quotes, as per section 15.3.
I don't know if this is an Illustrator spec or where exactly, but a designer gave me this spec for a font:
Helvetica Neue (T1), 35 thin, 20 pt, off/ 454545, on/70a63a
There are other similar ones for different areas of the page, but if you can tell me how to match this one using CSS, hopefully I can figure out the rest.
Thanks!
It may be difficult as only a SMALL subset of fonts are supported by all browsers, and MAY look completely different in one browser as opposed to another (see Fantasy type font in Firefox vs IE).
Here is some css to get you started though
.myCss {font-family:Helvetica;font-size:20pt;font-weight:100;color:#454545}
.myCss:hover {color:#70a63a}
Font-weight, in current browsers supports pretty much NORMAL and BOLD. But in new browsers will range from 100 to 900, with 700 being todays BOLD, and 400 being todays NORMAL.
NOTE: Hover will only work on link elements in stupid IE 6, support for it is MUCH better in IE 7 and waaay better in firefox.
This will get you as close as possible on all platforms:
font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
font-weight:100;
font-size:20pt;
The font name is Helvetica Neue. The T1 means PostScript type 1. 35 Thin is the weight/variation. 20 pt is the size. off and on are the colors.
Helvetica Neue (or Helvetica or Arial--all three are very similar) is present on just about every computer. The thin variation is not. I recommend doing font family Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, font-size: 20pt, and setting the font weight to the lowest possible: 100. Some variations of Helvetica/Arial may not have lighter font-weight variations, so setting the font-weight may not do anything.
If you absolutely need the exact font (and if your designer expects this in anything but headings when designing for the web, you need to go have a talk with said designer), you can use SIFR or images.