I am trying to develop a comet page using Asp.net. Surfed a lot and found some plugins like Pokein. I feel this blog, to be best suited for my project as it goes in hand with jQuery. But this is in MVC. I wonder if i can do the same with ASP.NET website pages. All i need to do is to free up the worker process during the long waiting ajax-call duration. In MVC, async controllers come handy. Could someone help me if I can do the same with website pages(say: free up the worker process during the long waiting jquery Ajax call inside the static web method). I read about async pages in websites here, but this will take a full posback and the page is blocked during the long wait. (basically free up worker process during pre-render and wait for long polling, but the UI still keeps refreshing as the page life cycle is not completed)
Thanks in advance for your advice geeks...
'Push' style architectures on the web using purely ASP.NET, JavaScript, JQuery, AJAX etc. can be difficult and involved to implement. Normally the route most go is more of a glorified 'pull' model where a timer somewhere client side will check back to the server for the needed data or state required and then preform the necessary action. If you truly want a more of a push architecture with purely web technologies, you will want to look into the long polling 'Comet' architecture. You can read more about it below:
Comet (programming):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(programming))
Ideally in the Microsoft world if possible you could jump over to a rich client technology like Silverlight to work with a duplex polling WCF service in which a client subscribed to the server can get updates pushed from the server back to the client. Anytime (as of today)I would need to implement any type of 'push' architecture today I would personally opt for Silverlight as there are numerous examples on how to implement this easily. If you are interested take a look to the (2) links below:
Pushing Data to a Silverlight Client with a WCF Duplex Service:
http://weblogs.asp.net/dwahlin/archive/2008/06/16/pushing-data-to-a-silverlight-client-with-wcf-duplex-service-part-i.aspx
How to: Build a Duplex Service for a Silverlight Client:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc645027(VS.95).aspx
Regardless, COMET/Silverlight/Flash, etc. are probably not going to be a widely used option going forward anyways with web sockets in HTML5. But since the spec is not quite ready (see: http://ishtml5readyyet.com/) you might needs to look at using a Silverlight control on your ASP.NET page in the meantime and it will work well.
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I've heard about node.js and event based programming and things like the node event loop. In college I remember that I made an ASP.net web application. The professor said that ASP.net uses an event based architecture where callback functions on the server side were triggered by different events on the client side.
Are the two different technologies using the concept for events and event driven programming?
They're similar in that they're both using the idea of events - something that calls your code, rather than you going out and looking for changes. But in practice they're quite different.
In node (and in asp.net MVC) the events in question from the client are "this URL was requested". That's it. There's no more granularity other than the contents of the request.
In ASP.NET Webforms, they work very hard to synthesize events based on what happened on the client page. The events you get are "text changed", "button clicked", "checkbox checked"... basically the same kind of stuff you'd get in a straight desktop app.
It turns out that the Webforms model gets really, really complicated really fast, and the abstraction layer gets in the way of doing things like ajax calls.
Another thing node does is that just about everything is async events, unlike ASP.NET. Database call? Async in node, sync in ASP.NET. Read a file? Async in node, sync in ASP.NET. HTTP request to another server? You get the idea.
ASP.NET can do those things async, but you have to go out of your way to do it, and it uses threads. In node the async stuff is pretty natural and it doesn't need to use threads, resulting (somewhat surprisingly) in higher throughput in some cases.
So yes, they're the same in the sense that they're both "events", but the details are staggeringly different.
Yes, node uses an event based architecture where callback functions on the server side are triggered by different events on the client side.
Why Node.js is a big deal.
1) Using the same language on the client and the server speeds development.
2) Every web developer already knows JavaScript. The transition path to using it on the server has a lower learning curve.
3) Modules built for Node.js are all event driven. Writing event driven code on other platforms usually requires you to sift through third party modules to find the ones that are event driven. For example, there are several event driven libraries for Python, but most third party networking libraries for Python are synchronous because of Python's heritage. Same with Ruby, Java, Scala and many other platforms.
4) Speed. Node.js runs on the V8 javascript engine. It may not be quite as fast as Java or C#, but it's light years ahead of Python, Ruby and PHP. Python, Ruby and PHP make up a huge portion of the web application market share. When developers with their primary experience based in those languages need more speed, Node.js is a logical place to find it.
I'm implementing a Core Service "Facade" for some lazy programmers that don't want to change their coding style (me included), and wanted to implement object cache, which obviously leads to the grand question of "how long and how much should I cache".
The ideal answer is to cache forever except when data is changed.
Is there a way (via some WCF event perhaps) to implement a "listener" for data changes that could be used to remove items from their cache?
BTW, I am using .NET's native ObjectCache (MemoryCache) with a 1 minute sliding cache policy for now.
Thanks,
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There is no such system built-into either WCF or Tridion that I know of.
You could of course roll your own, where you:
Listen for changes to the relevant data on the TCM server with Event Handlers
Have those event handlers forward the event to a central notification server
Have your WCF clients register with that notification server when they start up
Have notification server subsequently send the notifications on to the connected clients
This is essentially quite similar to how Tridion's Broker Object Cache works on the Content Delivery tier.
If you're interested in implementing such an approach, I'd suggest having a look at the Signalr project, which takes a lot of the hassle out of it.
Edit: it turns out WCF has something akin to what you're asking for called Callbacks. See this question and this blog post.
We have an application that hits a web service successfully, and the data returned updates our DB. What I'm trying to do is allow the user to continue using other parts of our web app while the web service processes their request and returns the necessary data.
Is this asynchronous processing? I've seen some console app samples on the msdn site, but considering this is a web form using a browser I'm not sure those samples apply. What if the user closes the browser window mid request? Currently we're using the Message Queue which "waits" for the web service to respond then handles the DB update, but we'd really like to get rid of that.
I'm (obviously) new to async requests and could use some help figuring this out. Does anyone have some code samples or pertinent articles I could check out?
Yes, what you're describing is async processing.
The best solution depends to some degree on the nature of the web services call and how you want to handle the results. A few tips that might help:
One approach is to send a request from the initial web request to a background thread. This works best if your users don't need to see the results of the call as soon as it completes.
Another approach is to have your server-side code make an async web services call. This is the way to go if your users do need to see the results. The advantage of an async call on the server side is that it doesn't tie up an ASP.NET worker thread waiting for results (which can seriously impair scalability)
Your server-side code can be structured either as a web page (*.aspx) or a WCF service, depending on what you want to have it return. Both forms support async.
From the client, you can use an async XMLHTTP request (Ajax). That way, you will receive a notification event when the call completes.
Another approach for long-running tasks is to write them to a persistent queue using Service Broker. This works best for things that you'd like users to be able to start and then walk away from and see the results later, with an assurance that the task will be completed.
In case it helps, I cover each of these techniques in detail in my book, along with code examples: Ultra-Fast ASP.NET.
If you're not blocking for a method return you're doing asychronous processing. Have a look at Dino Esposito's article on using AJAX for server task checking.
You can perform asynchronous web service calls using both Web Service Enhancements (WSE) and Windows Communication Foundation (WCF) in your C# code. WSE is discontinued, so its use is not recommended. Generically speaking, if you were to terminate program execution in the middle of an asynchronous call before the response returned, nothing bad would happen; the client would simply not process the result, but the web service would still be able to perform its processing to completion.
If your client web application is responsible for updating the DB, then without anything else in your client code, quitting in the middle of an asynchronous operation would mean that the DB was not updated. However, you could add some code to your client application that prevented the browser from quitting entirely while it is waiting for an asynchronous response while preventing new web service calls from being run after Close is called (using Javascript).
You have 2 distinct communications here: (1) from web browser to web application and (2) from web application to web service.
diagram http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6713/diagramo.png
There is no point of making (2) asynchronous: you still would have to wait for web service to finish processing request. If you end HTTP request from browser to web application the client would have no clue what the result of request was.
It is much better to make asynchronous request from web browser to your web application. Ajax is ideal for that. In fact, that's what it was created for. Here's couple of links to get you started:
jQuery Ajax
ASP.NET AJAX
I started to use silverlight/flex and immediately bumped into the asynchronous service calling. I'm used to solving the data access problems in an OO-way with one server fetch mechanism or another.
I have the following trivial code example:
public double ComputeOrderTotal(Order order)
{
double total = 0;
// OrderLines are lazy loaded
foreach (Orderline line in order.Orderlines)
{
// Article,customer are lazy loaded
total = total + line.Article.Price - order.Customer.discount;
}
return total;
}
If I understand correctly, this code is impossible in Flex/Silverlight. The lazy loading forces you to work with callbacks. IMO the simple expample above will be a BIG mess.
Can anyone give me a structured way to implement the above ?
Edit:
The problem is the same for Flex/Silverlight, pseudo code would
do fine
Its not really ORM related but most orms use lazy loading so i'll remove
that tag
The problem is lazy loading in the model
The above example would be very doable of all data was in memory but
we assume some has to be fetched from
the server
Closueres dont help since sometimes data is already loaded and no asynchronous fetch is needed
Yes I must agree that O/R mapping is usually done on the server-side of your application.
In SilverLight asynchronous way of execution is the desired pattern to use when working with services. Why services? Because as I said before there is no O/R mapping tool at the moment that could be used on the client-side (SilverLight). The best approach is to have your O/R mapped data exposed by a service that can be consumed by a SilverLight application. The best way at the moment is to use Ado.Net DataServices to transport the data, and on the client-side to manage the data using LINQ to Services. What is really interesting about ADS (former Astoria project) is that it is designed to be used with Entity Framework, but the good folks also implemented support for IQueriable so basically you can hook up any data provider that support LINQ. To name few you can consider Linq To Sql, Telerik OpenAccess, LLBLGen, etc. To push the updates back to the server the data source is required to support the ADS IUpdateable.
You can look just exactly how this could be done in a series of blogposts that I have prepared here: Getting Started with ADO.NET Data Services and Telerik Open Access
I can't speak to Silverlight but Flex is a web browser client technology and does not have any database driver embedded in the Flash runtime. You can do HTTP protocol interactions to a web server instead. It is there in the middle-tier web server where you will do any ORM with respect to a database connection, such as Java JDBC. Hibernate ORM and iBATIS are two popular choices in the Java middle-tier space.
Also, because of this:
Fallacies of Distributed Computing
You do not do synchronous interactions from a Flex client to its middle-tier services. Synchronous network operations have become verboten these days and are the hallmark signature of a poorly designed application - as due to reasons enumerated at the above link, the app can (and often will) exhibit a very bad user experience.
You instead make async calls to retrieve data, load the data into your client app's model object(s), and proceed to implement operations on the model. With Flex and BlazeDS you can also have the middle-tier push data to the client and update the client's model objects asynchronously. (Data binding is one way to respond to data being updated in an event driven manner.)
All this probably seems very far afield from the nature of inquiry in your posting - but your posting indicates you're off on an entirely incorrect footing as to how to understand client-side technologies that have asynchronous and event-driven programming baked into their fundamental architecture. These RIA client technologies are designed this way completely on purpose. So you will need to learn their mode of thinking if you want to have a good and productive experience using them.
I go into this in more detail, and with a Flex perspective, in this article:
Flex Async I/O vs Java and C# Explicit Threading
In my direct experience with Flex, I think this discussion is getting too complicated.
Your conceptual OO view is no different between sync and asynch. The only difference is that you use event handlers to deal with the host conversation in the DAL, rather than something returned from a method call. And that often happens entirely on the host side, and has nothing to do with Flex or Silverlight. (If you are using AIR for a workstation app, then it might be in client code, but the same applies. As well if you are using prolonged AJAX. Silverlight, of course, has no AIR equivalent.)
I've been able to design everything I need without any other changes required to accomodate asynch.
Flex has a single-threaded model. If you make a synchronous call to the web server, you'd block the entire GUI of the application. The user would have a frozen application until the call completes (or times out on a network error condition, etc.).
Of course real RIA programs aren't written that way. Their GUI remains accessible and responsive to the user via use of async calls. It also makes it possible to have real progress indicators that offer cancel buttons and such if the nature of the interaction warrants such.
Old, bad user experience web 1.0 applications exhibited the synchronous behaviour in their interactions with the web tier.
As my linked article points out, the async single-threaded model coupled with ActionScript3 closures is a good thing because it's a much simpler programming model than the alternative - writing multi-thread apps. Multi-threading was the approach of writing client-server Java Swing or C# .NET WinForm applications in order to achieve a similarly responsive, fluid-at-all-times user experience in the GUI.
Here's another article that delves into this whole subject matter of asynchronous, messaging/event-driven distributed app architecture:
Building Effective Enterprise Distributed Software Systems
data-driven communication vs behavior-driven communication
Silverlight is a client technology and the Object - Relational mapping happens completely in the server. So you have to forgot about the ORM in Silverlight.
Following your example what you have to do is to create a webservice (SOAP, REST...) that can give your silverlight client the complete "Order" object.
Once you have the object you can work with it with no communication with the server in a normal - synchronous way.
Speaking about Silverlight, you should definitely check RIA services.
Simply, it brings the DataContext from the server to the client from where you can asynchronously query it (there is no need to write WCF services by hand, it's all done by RIA).
C# 5
async / await construct will almost exactly what I want..
watch presentation by anders hejlsberg
I've been a longtime ASP.NET developer in the web forms model, and am using a new project as an opportunity to get my feet wet with ASP.NET MVC.
The application will need an API so that a group of other apps can communicate with it. I've always built API's out just using a standard web service prior to this.
As a sidenote, I'm a little hesitant to plunge headfirst into the REST style of creating API's, for this particular instance at least. This application will likely need a concept of API versioning, and I think that the REST approach, where the API is essentially scattered across all the controllers of the site, is a little cumbersome in that regard. (But I'm not completely opposed to it if there is a good answer to the potential versioning potential requirement.)
So, what say ye, Stack Overflow denizens?
I'd agree with Kilhoffer. Try using a "Facade" wrapper class that inherits from an "IFacade". In your Facade class put your code to consume your web service. In this way your controllers will simply make calls to the Facade. The plus side of this being that you can swap a "DummyFacade" that implements the same IFacade interface in that doesn't actually talk to the web service and just returns static content. Lets you actually do some unit testing without hitting the service. Basically the same idea as the Repository pattern.
I would still recommend a service layer that can serve client side consumers or server side consumers. Possibly even returning data in a variety of formats, depending on the consuming caller.