We have an ASP.NET app with SQL Server & it is a photo & video sharing site.
Details of photos and videos are stored in tables & the files are in the file system.
Database has 75 tables and 225 stored procedures. The app will be ready for production deployment within next 6 months.
Due to longer time growth concerns, we decided to switch to NoSQL (MongoDB) database.
We have few questions regarding the best way to approach this:
Is it better to deploy the app with SQL Server backend and migrate to NoSQL later?
OR re-architecture now and rewrite/recreate database, tables, procedures and data layer
How difficult will it be re-architecture/recode with MongoDB? Any tools or BKMs?
EDIT:
Our app is Youtube+Flickr type site where user will share photos and videos with lots of comments, tags and ratings (photo\video & comments).
Is NoSQL a better database to move to? Reason for moving: cost + read query speed
Please help me with you valuable advise.
Thank you very much.
Change is always exponentially more expensive the later it is introduced to a project. This is a core principle of software engineering. You should do this now.
That said, I question your long-term vision. Relational databases, used properly, have a lot of performance in them.
This question raises more questions than answers.
Have you benchmarked your current implementation in terms of requests/responses?
Why MongoDB out of all possible NoSQL databases? (Don't get me wrong, I love Mongo, but love and hype should not weigh in technology choices)
Are you certain you will get the large userbase you're expecting? Why are you so certain?
Using stored procs seems to tip off that you aren't using an ORM? Why not?
Generally, I'm against these types of re-architectures. Firstly, you need to get your whole team acclimated to how Mongo affects development. Secondly, your ops team needs to get acclimated to how to deploy and maintain a Mongo installation. More likely than not, this will prevent you from launching in a timeline you want to launch.
I'd say that you should probably launch as is, fix the ORM part if you aren't using one, benchmark your app, benchmark a prototype of your app backed by Mongo and if the performance advantages are so big that it warrants the pain of re-architecture do it.
To your latter question, there aren't any tools right now, as far as I can tell, that'll automate or semi-automate the database import/export from SQL Server to Mongo. There are barely tools to do that for MySQL.
I've done such a migration a few month ago, during the early developement stage of a website in ASP.NET. It was a hard decision, but I could concentrate on that migration. The reason why I did this migration was the ORM that I couldn't trust anymore and some very slow queries that I had no idea how to optimize.
During coding phase, what I figured out was : I was spending a lot of time with the data model in SQL Server (using Entity) and all the plumbery code.
Now, no more store procedures (C# and Linq code instead), no more 2 layers to maintain (the code is the model).
My small experience says : The earlier the better but don't get me wrong, before migrating you really have to think in Document rather than in RDBMS. This means you may have to partially change the businness DataModel to correctly utilize MongoDB features, otherwise you could get bad performances and Mongo DB is useless for bad models.
Another point is the admin stuff. You'll have to quickly learn Mongo DB admin to be up to speed. And even if the tools are good, they completely differ from SQL Server tools.
In conclusion, If you're convinced MongoDB is your future data store and search database,
(and it was in my case), read documentation, take time to do some Proof Of Concept. Then you can think Document and load test you new model.
Your core question appears to be whether to make the switch to MongoDB now, or deploy on SQL and go to MongoDB in a future release.
You do not appear to be using an ORM (e.g. NHibernate, Entity Framework.) Setting other concerns aside, if you're convinced that you want to go to NoSQL, then I would do it now rather than later. Unless you integrate a Provider model for your data access, changing the underlying data access strategy after it is already established would be difficult.
I agree. Switching now is better, if only to avoid the data migration headache switching post-deployment will require.
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Team A has an enterprise app that uses ADO.NET for data access that executes stored procedures. The data access is encapsulated in it's own project (let's call it DAL.dll)
Team B is creating another unrelated app that's reusing the stored procedures in the enterprise app. This app is currently using the MS application block for data access. The issue we run into is that whenever Team A make any change to the input/output params in the stored procedures, there is a runtime error in Team B's app and this app needs to be updated to accommodate the additional params (or params that were removed). So, most of these go unnoticed until a user complains. At the very least, we would like to have the app throw a compilation error so that the build process warns us of the changes made.
One way to do this is to have Team B's project add a reference to the DAL.dll
I'd like to know if there are any other cleaner ways of solving the issue. We are ready to replace Team B's MS Data application block to use a different technology (Entity Framework?) if necessary.
Among the other answers, I'd strongly suggest getting those stored procedures into source control, in a Database Project. You then may be able to use the features of your source control system to do several things:
Lock some of the code so that it cannot be changed
Give you notifications if the code is changed
Warn you if the stored procedures change in a way that would prevent them from being called
Branch the stored procedures so that each team can have their own version of changed code, while keeping the unchanged stored procedures common. You of course will need to separate the different versions in the database.
I agree with the other posters on this thread that you should not share stored procedure's across different .NET DLL's, that is just a recipe for disaster. I would also shy away from ORM's like Entity Framework if you are doing anything at all complicated with your database schema because ORM's excel at getting a simple object model translated from your .NET application classes into SQL tables and SP's, but traditionally do poorly at optimizing them for performance on the database side. There will be people who claim otherwise, and they may have a valid point if you are an expert in wrangling an ORM to do waht you want like they are, but chances are you are not and it will cause you headaches in the long run.
A shared data access layer might work, but conceptually you are then just changing the implementation of the dependency from some code that a DBA wrote to some code that a .NET programmer wrote. Yes, you can use integration tests to achieve better verifiability, but the same case could be made for SQL with tools like Red Gate's SQL Test. I would shy away from this approach if the two applications are already experiencing some sort of pain from sharing SP's. That is an indication that the dependency just should be done away with.
If it were up to me, I'd just make a new schema for Team B's app. You can read more about schemas in SQL Server here: MSDN Schema description for 2008 R2. You can think of them as namespaces for SQL Server but with some additional bells and whistles like permission and access control. Separating out your different applications into separate schemas on the same shared database will probably make for the most flexible implementation in the long run.
unrelated app that's reusing the stored procedures in the enterprise app
If these two application are really unrelated why are those sharing procedures or even the same database. I know this is a long read, but I recommend you to read this: A Better Path to Enterprise Architectures
The partioning concept in there relates to the bounded context in Domain driven design:
Multiple models are in play on any large project. Yet when code based on distinct models is combined, software becomes buggy, unreliable, and difficult to understand. Communication among team members becomes confusing. It is often unclear in what context a model should not be applied.
Therefore: Explicitly define the context within which a model applies. Explicitly set boundaries in terms of team organization, usage within specific parts of the application, and physical manifestations such as code bases and database schemas. Keep the model strictly consistent within these bounds, but don’t be distracted or confused by issues outside.
It is expected you end with problems when you don't explicitely deal with this. You're lucky you're seeing early failures, as it can turn into problems much harder to find on the long run.
Analyze the problem again with the above in mind. Consider if you're missing some explicit context where this common functionality should live.
My question is: which team owns the store procedured and the database shared? Usually as a good architecture/design, you should not have two different apps sharing same database / procedures.
A better way to share data/functionality between two different applications is through a services or API, so the team who owns the functionality would be responsible to maintain it.
Also, have a good communication between both teams is highly recommend.
Depending on the owner of the DAL project, you could host web services and share the API. That way, you separate the Data Access Layer from the business logic, which allows anyone to use the same DAL without having to publish it to each different location.
From my point of view, it looks like both Team A and Team B should share the same core model and look at Multitier architecture as a possible solution.
It sounds like it would make sense to create a shared DAL that both applications can share.
I would add unit tests (or really integration tests) to make sure the DAL is compatible with the apps after changes. That way your tests would fail if incompatible changes have been made
"I'd like to know if there are any other cleaner ways of solving the issue."
The cleanest way is for Team B to sit down with Team A and encapsulate the relevant business logic into a shared API. It doesn't matter so much how you implement that API; what does matter is that the API's interface is documented and versioned so everyone knows what to expect.
One reasonable mechanism for this in a .NET environment is to use Microsoft's WebAPI.
In short, the question of "how do we share a stored procedure?" is most likely looking at the wrong level of abstraction.
Is it possible to build an ASP.NET website using EF where each customer logging in has separately stored data? We have customers demanding that their data won’t be stored in the same tables as other customers’ data.
I’ve read that EF can’t work with several databases but is it possible to switch database at runtime depending on input parameters? I have a feeling it won’t be possible since the migration features are tightly connected to the database being used, but I'm not sure.
One solution could be to have a separate website deployment and database for each customer. They’ll get separate domains to access but that’s not a problem. But this solution feels a bit clumsy if you’re having many customers, especially with deployment and future upgrades.
Am I missing some smart ways of solving this or is this a very tricky issue?
is structure (of the db) the same ?
if so you could switch connections - not w/o issues though, but should work. For details on how that should be done check the long discussion we've had here (and linked previous questions etc.)...
Code first custom connection string and migrations without using IDbContextFactory
We are a small team working on a very tight deadline to develop a large web application in .NET. We are using multiple databases (one per client) so our requirements are slightly different than most applications. The databases will only be used for this particular application so it doesn't matter if they are tightly coupled with the application. The main deciding factors are speed of development, long-term maintainability, and security. There are 3 options we are considering:
Option 1 - LINQ to SQL
None of us have any experience with LINQ, but we have been researching it and it seems like a good option and not too difficult to learn. Worth the risk of learning a new method on a tight deadline?
Option 2 - Stored Procedures
Seems like it could be a nightmare to maintain with the multiple database setup (or would it?) and it may slow down development to work in another environment as we don't have a dedicated database developer. Basic CRUD queries would be generated by code generator which is an advantage.
Option 3 - Inline Queries
This method would be the fastest to develop but I know people are generally against hard-coded queries nowadays and I fear we may suffer in the long term with maintainability issues. Basic CRUD queries would be generated by code generator.
Please let me know if there are any factors we are missing. What solution seems the most appropriate for this project?
If you have a tight deadline don't try something new. Ask the devs to study Entity Framework at home and in their spare time and try it in next project. Meanwhile do what you know best and have used in past successfully.
Inline queries are not bad if they are decoupled in a DAL assembly.
Since #Hasan Khan covered the primary answers regarding SQL. I'm going to throw out a somewhat different answer. Another option is to consider usage of RavenDB, a NoSQL db. It has the concept of Tenant databases inherently baked into it. Which from your requirements it sounds like this is the intended goal.
I have a web site I developed for displaying the results of some data analysis work I did. It relied on ASP.NET for the front end and connected to a MySQL back end utilising Entity Framework and LINQ extensively.
I chose MySQL because I personally have used it in the past and like the database, but this resulted in some serious issues when I had to deploy it to a hosting provider (incompatible connectors, access rights, etc.)
I am now getting ready to redevelop and expand the site and I am looking for some advice to avoid the issues I had last time.
The new DB has to serve two roles. The first is to be a data provider for the charts that are the output of the analysis work. These tables are straightforward, almost flat files, with 10 tables. One table has roughly 200k rows of data the rest have aprox 1200 rows of data each. There are little references or queries between the DB tables, but there are a few. This data is updated periodically by a back end process and does not need to be added to or edited by the user.
The second role of the DB would be as a basic persistent store for a standard user management system. It would need to manage data for adding/ removing clients, user names, passwords, access rights. etc. No financial data or super secure data is involved.
What database approach would you recommend that would give me easy deployment and management at a web host and still allow me to use both Entity Framework and LINQ effectively.
Second, what tools/frameworks should I consider as I rewrite this system. It is very graphical and data focused. Presentation of charts and information is the key factor in this site. Are there any new technologies or frameworks that would add specific value to what I am doing?
A few notes. I am a one man shop and I maintain the entire system myself so I am less worried about enterprise level frameworks than other people. My focus is on the easy development and deployment of the site. Maintainability is also a key factor.
I am also an experienced C# developer, but new to ASP.NET and the web side of things. The first version of this site was a big learning experience. It was good, but I wasted an enormous amount of time on just understanding new technologies and approaches. I am very open to learning, but I can't afford the time to get my head around a complete paradigm shift.
I am looking forward to your thoughts, thanks.
Doug
The natural choice would be SQL Server. I'd guess by your description that you are way under the maximum space limit of the SQL Server Express edition. I of course supports Entity Framework and the drivers are part of the .NET Framework, so no problem with third party assemblies here.
This will also open up the possibility to host your app in the cloud (Azure) later on, because SQL Azure in fact is a Microsoft SQL Server, so there is no overhead in supporting that.
Regarding user management - ASP.NET has this all build in (Membership, Role and Profile provider) and also a SQL Provider for which default tables are available. So you don't have to design your tables by yourself and it runs very naturally on SQL Server.
I don't know how authoritative this is but I found this:
http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=PerformanceConsiderations
and it doesn't seem good to have a lot of connections to sqlite. This seems to be bad for the web and most applications that have more than a few users. I'm having a hard time thinking of what sqlite would be used for when you don't need that many connections. Every program I can think of needs users, lots of them sometimes, so what would I use a database for that doesn't allow that many connections? I thought about prototypes but why would I use that when I can just connect to a larger database? Embedded apps maybe?
Thank you.
EDIT: Thanks everyone. I look at the page recommended below but an confused about something:
Under appropriate uses for sqlite it has:
Situations Where SQLite Works Well
•Websites
SQLite usually will work great as the database engine for low to medium traffic websites (which is to say, 99.9% of all websites). The amount of web traffic that SQLite can handle depends, of course, on how heavily the website uses its database. Generally speaking, any site that gets fewer than 100K hits/day should work fine with SQLite. The 100K hits/day figure is a conservative estimate, not a hard upper bound. SQLite has been demonstrated to work with 10 times that amount of traffic.
Situations Where Another RDBMS May Work Better
•Client/Server Applications
If you have many client programs accessing a common database over a network, you should consider using a client/server database engine instead of SQLite. SQLite will work over a network filesystem, but because of the latency associated with most network filesystems, performance will not be great. Also, the file locking logic of many network filesystems implementation contains bugs (on both Unix and Windows). If file locking does not work like it should, it might be possible for two or more client programs to modify the same part of the same database at the same time, resulting in database corruption. Because this problem results from bugs in the underlying filesystem implementation, there is nothing SQLite can do to prevent it.
A good rule of thumb is that you should avoid using SQLite in situations where the same database will be accessed simultaneously from many computers over a network filesystem.
The Question:
I'm going to show my ignorance here but what is the difference between these two?
This is answered well by sqlite itself : Appropriate use of sqlite
Another way to look at SQLite is this:
SQLite is not designed to replace Oracle. It is designed to replace fopen().
It's good for situations where you don't have access to a "real" database and still want the power of a relational db. For example, Firefox stores a bunch of information about your settings/history/etc in an SQLite database. You can't expect everyone that runs firefox to have MySQL or postgre installed on their machine.
It's also perfectly capable of running relatively-low traffic, read-heavy websites. The performance of it is overall very good, it's more than the large majority of websites need for their traffic levels.
It's often used for embedded applications.
It can be very handy to use a database like storage when you have no access to a database service. So SQLite is used since it's just a file you store somewhere.
I also find that using SQLite is good for getting a prototype application together pretty quickly without the overhead of having a seperate DB server or bogging a development environment with an instance of MySQL/Oracle/Whatever.
Also easy to pick up and move the database to a different machine if you need to.
The iPhone uses it for call history, SMS messages, contacts, and other type of data. Like Ólafur Waage said, good for embedded applications on mobile device because it's lightweight. I have used it also on stand alone applications. Easy to use and available on most platforms.
Think about simple client or desktop apps that could make use of a db, like as a poor example, an address book. Rather than bundling a huge db engine like mysql or postgre with your deliverable, sqlite is very lightweight and easy to include with your finished app.
This FLOSS Weekly podcast episode talks with the creator of SQLite and covers among other things goes over the type of things you would use it for. Everything from file systems for mobile phones to smallish web sites.
In the simplest terms, SQLite is a public-domain software package that provides a
relational database management system, or RDBMS. Relational database systems are
used to store user-defined records in large tables. In addition to data storage and management,
a database engine can process complex query commands that combine data
from multiple tables to generate reports and data summaries. Other popular RDBMS
products include Oracle Database, IBM’s DB2, and Microsoft’s SQL Server on the
commercial side, with MySQL and PostgreSQL being popular open source products.
The “Lite” in SQLite does not refer to its capabilities. Rather, SQLite is lightweight
when it comes to setup complexity, administrative overhead, and resource usage.
For detail info and solution about SQLite visit the link below:
http://blog.developeronhire.com/what-is-sqlite-sqlite/
Thank you.
What the above two answers say. Expanding slightly on Chad Birch's answer, its teh calls to the SQLite db, and a rather poor implementation of sync() that causes FF3 to be so slow in linux.