Opera outline rendering bug? - css

Does anyone know something more about Opera outline bug?
Check this out:
http://jsfiddle.net/BYgMr/
<div id="outline">TEST</div>
<div id="another-div">Another div</div>
#outline {
border: solid 1px #000;
outline: solid 1px red;
background-color: #fff;
width: 200px;
height: 200px;
}
#another-div {
position: absolute;
top: 100px;
left: 100px;
border: solid 1px #000;
outline: solid 1px blue;
background-color: #eee;
width: 200px;
height: 200px;
z-index: 5000; /* even this is not helping */
}
I'm using the latest Opera, I've checked on TWO different machines with different Opera versions all of them render it like:
What's THAT? In any FF/Safari/Chrome the outline goes below grey area, but in Opera it's still above (even if div parent is way below!).
Google search gives only "Opera 9.5+ CSS bug: rendering outline over absolute positioned" link, but it doesn't want to open.
Any temporary fixes? Or maybe I'm blind and made a horrible mistake somewhere?

This is more of a missing spec in Opera rather than a bug. A bug constitutes something not working according to specifications and Opera is following W3 standards according to step 10 - http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/zindex.html)
It is a missing spec in Opera because there's no way to set a style above the last block drawn namely an "outline".
Its probably in our best interest not to use an outline when we could use border or box-shadow but I can't do that in my case since I've got a tooltip which thousands of people load independently onto their sites. And I don't have the luxury of changing everybody's template styling nor would I ever want to.
I've submitted a bug report to Opera (DSK-339836). Hopefully they'll give us a way to draw something above the last thing drawn (ie. outline)

This is not a bug!
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#dynamic-outlines
The outline created with the outline properties is drawn "over" a box,
i.e., the outline is always on top, and does not influence the
position or size of the box, or of any other boxes. Therefore,
displaying or suppressing outlines does not cause reflow or overflow.
Outline is not supposed to be "just another border" property. Its more needed for debug, or creating visual UI hints, around certain elements.

It's not a "bug," per se, but a difference in how the spec was implemented. The outline highlights the edges of the box. That's it. It isn't supposed to be used as a border. If you look closely, you'll see that only the red outline overlaps the other box, but the dark border does not.
Is there a reason you're using a border and an outline and overlapping divs? That seems like an odd use case. If you need to use both, you can use box-shadow as a bit of a hack to get the effect you want in most recent browsers: box-shadow: 0px 0px 0px 1px red;.

First: I see a lot of talk and no intelligent answers.
Second: the outline property in opera seems to have a positive Z-Index and stays on top of all other Z-Indexes.
Third: I came looking for a fix or a deal with it, but instead got rubbish and opinions, and we all know what opinions are like.
I see this as a browser code issue that separates the outline from the element and gives it a positive Z-Index above everything else. All other browsers I have tried work fine including mobile browsers, except Opera.
I was once fond of Opera as a mobile browser but am now seeing more draw backs than anything else.
The only fix I see at this point is a browser ID script that removes the outline property for the Opera browser.

Yes, it is a bug!
CSS 2.1 outlines differ from borders in the following ways:
Outlines do not take up space.
Outlines may be non-rectangular.
So nowhere it states that outlines should be on top of other boxes. Borders don't do that! That the outline is drawn above its own box is allright but thats it. Another box above with a higher z-index and it should not be visible.
I can not even nicely show a floating popup window over a div with an outline, it shines through! This is simply wrong. No other browser does it like this.

Related

Background overflowing border when using border-radius

I have a problem with background-color of an element overflowing it's border when using border-radius. I have seen this problem many times and it isn't a special case.
Here is the description:
I have a <input type="submit"> which has the following styles:
background-color: #FF0000;
border: 2px solid #222222;
border-radius: 5px;
And if you look at the picture blow, the background-color is overflowing a little at all 4 rounded corners:
Note: To see the problem better I used the browser's zoom feature. So the picture is a little larger than it's original.
This problem always happens, usually I don't see it because my colors are in similar ranges but when using completely different colors like picture above, it's obvious ...
I believe it is a rendering problem in the browser (Firefox 30 and IE11) since I can't see the same problem using Google Chrome. How can I fix this in Firefox and maybe IE? (IE isn't important)
To fix this issue in FireFox, looks like there is a simple trick with background-clip:
background-clip: padding-box;
Demo
There is still another work-around with using linear-gradient background and I found out that setting background-repeat to no-repeat works:
background:linear-gradient(red,red) no-repeat;
Demo 2

IE11 draws small line between positioned elements

I constructed a thought bubble with HTML and CSS and found an issue solely on IE11 - every other browser (down to IE9) works great.
The idea is simple:
Have a container that contains text and give it a background-color and round corners. Then put another element into it and make it look like an arrow. Position the arrow so that it sits right next to the container.
The problem:
Somehow, even though the arrow sits perfectly adjusted, there is a very small line between arrow and container. And this line is less then 1px in height. If I move the arrow up a notch then it sits inside the container which cannot be accepted due to the fact that arrow and container must have transparency.
Here is the jsfiddle showing the problem:
http://jsfiddle.net/hurrtz/t2RhR/3/
HTML really is simple.
<div id="bubble">
<div class="arrow"></div>
</div>
CSS is equally simple and boils down to this (some pseudo code ahead):
#bubble {
(some dimension giving)
background-color: rgba(0,0,0,0.5); //black, semitransparent
position: relative;
}
#bubble .arrow {
position: absolute;
bottom: 0 - height of arrow:
background-color: rgba(0,0,0,0.5); //black, semitransparent
}
By the way: The problem increases, decreases or seizes to exist the more I let IE11 zoom in or if the browser window's height is changed.
Here's what it looks like with the gap in IE11:
A screenshot of this picture, zoomed at 500% shows this:
It's because the way the border is calculated. Screen is a finite grid, so when you decide that the center of the arc is at coordinates e.g. "10 x, 10 y" it could mean different things:
the center of the arc is in the middle of the 10th pixel?
the center of the arc is at the begginnig of the 10th pixel?
the center of the arc is at the end of the 10th pixel?
So, when it draws the arc with radius 10px it could go half pixel farther (or closer) from the point you expected (and will yield "half pixel" sizes, a 2px gray line where you wanted 1px black, a circle that is not really round or some other sad surprise).
This kind of different behaviour is common among the major browsers (e.g. see this: Border-radius: 50% not producing perfect circles in Chrome ) I think it shouldn't be considered a bug, those are just implementation decisions that unluckily for us differ from a browser to another.
The most common solutions is to play with the border width (0.5px,1px,2px) and radius (even/odd sizes) or even positioning with decimals (bottom: -19.5px?). Can't say wich combination will yield best results for this case since I can't reproduce it in Windows 7 + IE11.
border-bottom: 1px transparent solid ;
margin-bottom: -1px ; /* grey line fix */
all well and good but there is no real answer to the problem here. after a search i found this. and it worked on the IE and safari grey line issue on a simple white box i use.
Based on #miguel-svq answer (thanks!!!), which was very helpful, I have simplified it with the following:
#bubble{
/* Set the border color to match your surrounding background.
It will take away the grey line in IE11 */
border: solid 0.5px #f0f0f0;
}

IE10, Opera 12 :: Opacity:<1, display:inline leads to a strange cropping

In this question - If the staff and community won't mind - I would like to address two different bugs of different browsers, though ocuring on same conditions.
The bugs happen when an element with display:inline (and a box-shadow, but this is set here more for a demonstration purpose) gets opacity less than 1. Then
IE 10 (at least) chops the box-shadow as if "overflow:hidden" was set.
Opera 12.15 leaves the box shadow only on the first line of the text.
The HTML to demonstrate the issue:
<span class="inline opaque">
<span>Some text.</span>
</span>
CSS:
.inline{
display:inline;
background:red;
box-shadow:0 0 0 10px red;
}
.inline.opaque{
opacity:.5;
}
A live example. I am really frustrated with this happening. Seems very strange and unnatural for me. Would be very grateful for any help.
Thanks!
UPDATE. Seems I have found some workaround for IE. It turns out, that we can shift the box-shadow to the left and top (the directions it doesn't crop in this bug). And to make the element visually occupy the same space, a transform can be applied. It's better visible here
#media screen and (-ms-high-contrast:active),(-ms-high-contrast:none){
.block{
-ms-transform:translate(5px, 5px);
transform:translate(5px, 5px);
}
.inline{
box-shadow:-5px -5px 0 5px #c0c;
}
}
Note, that we need to shift (possibly with translate) the contents of .inline as well.
Each line of a display:inline element is implicitly a container. You can see evidence of this if you were to apply border:1px solid black to your text.
Therefore, it's not unreasonable for the browser to render each shadow separately, and that (unfortunately) means placing them on top of elements (read: lines) before it.
As for why the "cropping" manifests only in certain browsers, and only when opacity is less than 1... that's not really something I can answer because it is down to browser implementation. That said... from my understanding, the cropping is technically correct.
Anyway, the "easy" fix is to just apply the opacity to a parent element, like so.

CSS Gurus please help me figure these rounded corners out?

I've got a webpage I'm designing and my design works great in google's Chrome browser but I'm using the CSS 'border-radius' property which as I'm sure you know isn't supported by IE. I'm trying everything I can think of but I've got a few things going on that are causing me a lot of trouble
The 'box' in question that I'm trying to get rounded corners on has a white background with a background image
The page background is a gradient and the outside corners must be transparent to look right.
I've got a green border running around my box.
Here's a sample image that shows what I'm trying to achieve:
alt text http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/77c9ec6c32.png
Let me know if it would help to see my current CSS and HTML. I've tried a lot of different things but they all have one problem or another. The box background is set in my CSS as a non-repeating image set in the lower right and the fading effect comes from it being partially transparent so it fades to white since that's the background color of the box. A fluid solution would be nice but I can use a fixed-width solution just fine.
The background is what's causing my main problem. I can't figure out how to make the background fill the whole thing if I break up the HTML into more than one div.
HTML:
<div class="content">
<jdoc:include type="component" />
</div>
CSS:
.content {
background-color: #FFFFFF;
border: solid 2px #ACD579;
-webkit-border-radius: 13px;
-moz-border-radius: 13px;
border-radius: 13px;
padding: 1em 2em;
}
.content
{
background-image: url(../img/pagebG.gif);
background-position: bottom;
background-repeat: repeat-x;
}
It would be better if you provide your code, so we can see where you're going wrong.
Also, is the page breaking in IE6? or just IE in general?
To get rounded corners in IE you could use CSS3 Pie, which makes "Internet Explorer 6-8 capable of rendering several of the most useful CSS3 decoration features.".

What is the difference between outline and border CSS properties?

What is the difference between border and outline properties in CSS?
If there is no difference, then why are there two properties for the same thing?
From: http://webdesign.about.com/od/advancedcss/a/outline_style.htm
The CSS outline property is a confusing property. When you first learn about it, it's hard to understand how it is even remotely different from the border property. The W3C explains it as having the following differences:
Outlines do not take up space.
Outlines may be non-rectangular.
In addition to some other answers... here are a few more differences I can think of:
1) Rounded corners
border supports rounded corners with the border-radius property. outline doesn't.
div {
width: 150px;
height: 150px;
margin: 20px;
display: inline-block;
position: relative;
}
.border {
border-radius: 75px;
border: 2px solid green;
}
.outline {
outline: 2px solid red;
border-radius: 75px;
-moz-outline-radius: 75px;
outline-radius: 75px;
}
.border:after {
content: "border supports rounded corners";
position: absolute;
bottom: 0;
transform: translateY(100%);
}
.outline:after {
content: "outline doesn't support rounded corners";
position: absolute;
bottom: 0;
transform: translateY(100%);
}
<div class="border"></div>
<div class="outline"></div>
FIDDLE
(NB: Although firefox has the -moz-outline-radius property which allows rounded corners on outline... this property it is not defined in any CSS standard, and is not supported by other browsers (source))
2) Styling one side only
border has properties to style each side with border-top:, border-left: etc.
outline can't do this. There's no outline-top: etc. It's all or nothing. (see this SO post)
3) offset
outline supports offset with the property outline-offset. border doesn't.
.outline {
margin: 100px;
width: 150px;
height: 150px;
outline-offset: 20px;
outline: 2px solid red;
border: 2px solid green;
background: pink;
}
<div class="outline"></div>
FIDDLE
Note: All major browsers support outline-offset except Internet Explorer
Further to other answers, outlines are usually used for debugging. Opera has some nice user CSS styles that use the outline property to show you where all the elements are in a document.
If you're trying to find out why an element isn't appearing where you expected or at the size you expected, add a few outlines and see where the elements are.
As already mentioned, outlines do not take up space. When you add a border, the element's total width/height in the document increases, but that doesn't happen with outline. Also you can't set outlines on specific sides like borders; it's all or nothing.
tldr;
The W3C explains it as having the following differences:
Outlines do not take up space.
Outlines may be non-rectangular.
Source
Outline should be used for accessibility
It should also be noted that outline's primary purpose is accessibility. Setting it to outline: none should be avoided.
If you must remove it it maybe a better idea to provide alternative styling:
I’ve seen quite a few tips on how to remove the focus indicator by using outline:none or outline:0. Please do not do this, unless you replace the outline with something else that makes it easy to see which element has keyboard focus. Removing the visual indicator of keyboard focus will give people who rely on keyboard navigation a really hard time navigating and using your site.
Source: "Do Not Remove the Outline from Link and Form Controls", 365 Berea Street
More Resources
http://outlinenone.com/
A practical use of outline deals with transparency. If you have a parent element with a background, but want a child element's border to be transparent so that the parent's background will show through, you must use "outline" rather than "border." While a border can be transparent, it will show the child's background, not the parent's.
In other words, this setting created the following effect:
outline: 7px solid rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.2);
From W3 School Site
The CSS border properties allow you to specify the style and color of an element's border.
An outline is a line that is drawn around elements (outside the borders) to make the element "stand out".
The outline shorthand property sets all the outline properties in one declaration.
The properties that can be set, are (in order): outline-color, outline-style, outline-width.
If one of the values above are missing, e.g. "outline:solid #ff0000;", the default value for the missing property will be inserted, if any.
Check here for more information :
http://webdesign.about.com/od/advancedcss/a/outline_style.htm
Border is created inside the element, where as outline is created outside the element. So border is computed along with the width and height of the element, while outline draws outside the element.
A little bit of an old question, but worth mentioning a Firefox rendering bug (still present as of Jan '13) where the outline will render on the outside of all child elements even if they overflow their parent (through negative margins, box-shadows, etc.)
You can fix this with:
.container {
position: relative;
}
.container:before {
content: '';
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
position: absolute;
top: 0;
left: 0;
width: 100%;
height: 100%;
outline: 1px solid #ff0000;
}
Super unfortunate that it's still not fixed. I much prefer outlines in many cases since they do not add to the dimensions of an element, saving you from always having to consider border widths when setting dimensions of an element.
After all, which is simpler?
.container {
width: 960px;
height: 300px;
outline: 3px solid black;
}
Or:
.container {
width: 954px;
height: 294px;
border: 3px solid black;
}
It is also worth noting, that W3C's outline is IE's border, since IE does not implement W3C box model.
In w3c box model, the border is exclusive of element's width and height. In IE it is inclusive.
Differences between border and outline:
Border is part of the box model so it counts against the element's size.
Outline is not part of the box model so it doesn't affect nearby elements.
Demo:
#border {
border: 10px solid black;
}
#outline {
outline: 10px solid black;
}
<html>
<body>
<span id="border">Border</span>Other text<br><br>
<span id="outline">Outline</span>Other text
</body>
</html>
Other differences:
The outline is displayed outside the border.
Outlines cannot have rounded corners; borders can.
I've made a little piece of css/html code just to see the difference between both.
outline is better to inclose potential overflowing child elements, especially into an inline container.
border is much more adapted for block-behaving elements.
Fiddle for you sir!
The outline property in CSS draws a line around the outside of an element. It's similar to border except that:
It always goes around all the sides, you can't specify particular
sides It's not a part of the box model, so it won't effect the
position of the element or adjacent elements
Source: https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/o/outline/
As a practical example of using "outline", the faint dotted border that follows the system focus on a webpage (eg. if you tab through the the links) can be controlled using the outline property (at least, I know it can in Firefox, not tried other browsers).
A common "image replacement" technique is to use, for example:
<div id="logo">Foo Widgets Ltd.</div>
with the following in the CSS:
#logo
{
background: url(/images/logo.png) center center no-repeat;
}
#logo a
{
display: block;
text-indent: -1000em;
}
The problem being that when the focus reaches the tag, the outline heads off 1000em to the left. Outline can allow you to turn off the focus outline on such elements.
I believe that the IE Developer Toolbar is also using something like outline "under the hood" when highlighting elements for inspection in "select" mode. That shows well the fact that "outline" takes up no space.
think about outline as a border that a projector draw outside something as a border is an actual object around that thing.
a projection can easily overlap but border don't let you pass.
some times when i use grid+%width, border will change the scaling on view port,for example a div with width:100% in a parent with width:100px fills the parent completely, but when i add border:solid 5px to div it make the div smaller to make space for border(although it's rare and work-aroundable!) but with outline it doesn't have this problem as outline is more virtual :D it's just a line outside the element
but the problem is if you don't do spacing properly it would overlap with other contents.
to make it short:
outline pros:
it doesn't mess with spacing and positions
cons:
high chance of overlapping
Google web.dev has a good explaintion for Box Model.
The border box surrounds the padding box and its space is occupied by the border value. The border box is the bounds of your box and the border edge is the limit of what you can visually see. The border property is used to visually frame an element.
The margin box, is the space around your box, defined by the margin rule on your box. Properties such as outline and box-shadow occupy this space too because they are painted on top, so they don't affect the size of our box. You could have an outline-width of 200px on our box and everything inside and including the border box would be exactly the same size.
Copied from W3Schools:
Definition and Usage
An outline is a line that is drawn
around elements (outside the borders)
to make the element "stand out".

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