I would like to write a software running in a networked device, i.e. PC. It can automatically detect the other network devices' types. For example, it can detect there is a PS3, a Wii, an IPad running in the same network. Any ideas? Thanks,
You have two problems: first, detecting that a device is connected to your network and at 192.168.1.x. Second, somehow detecting what that device is.
The first is easy-ish to accomplish: there's discovery protocols like UPnP and Bonjour. However, in a home networking scenario, the easiest and most reliable way to get a list of connected devices is probably to pull the DHCP reservations from your router. You might have to scrape data from the router's HTML-based management interface—hacky as that may be—but it would work. (If you're using .NET, consider the HTML Agility Pack to accomplish this.)
Once you have a list of IP addresses of connected devices, your next problem is to figure out what each device actually is. This will be more challenging. Some possibilities:
You may be able to use the MAC address to help detect the device's vendor. (Here's a list.)
If you're using UPnP, you can ask the device what it is.
Use IP fingerprinting to determine what the device is.
Couple thoughts. The broadcast IP address - 255.255.255.255 is where devices talk and say "here I am". Should be able to listen to this and find ip addresses and more. Second, if devices are assigned an IP address by a DHCP client (obviously) you can usually find a list on the dhcp device. Devices often have names, this is a higher level protocol, like windows SMB, that you may have to interface with in order to get that information.
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I would like to be able to scan my local network, using either an existing command line tool or writing my own, that will look for a certain type of embedded device and then print a list over all devices found.
The embedded device I'm looking for has the lwIP TCP/IP stack implemented, and we are free to add functionality to it that will help us locate it.
Using the MAC address of the device is not an option because the user is free to configure this and it may not have been properly set.
How can I make my devices "scanable" on the LAN and how can I perform the scan with my PC?
let me try to answer this: your device will be added on a LAN, so will get an IP address. That's really what's critical to locate it. The IP address can be:
fixed, like defined by your device (something like 192.168.0.1), but it's a risky option because it might collide. In that case, you can just tell the user to reach this IP
dynamic, defined by DHCP. So your device will get an IP on your LAN like 192.168.3.178.
In case on DHCP, the issue is finding your device. You will find detailed answers there How to get a list of all valid IP addresses in a local network?, but there is basically 2 options:
nmap, a real scanner. This may be long, but super powerful. This also could be viewed as agressive, so if you're in a controlled environment (like the LAN of a entreprise), please ask your sys admin before doing that
arp, which is not as exhaustive
I'm app developer from Korea.
Let me have one supposition.
There is one PC and one android tablet.
these devices are in same network.
(192.168.0.x ...same in C class)
My question is same as followings
"using PC, how can I find another device by the device's MAC address only?"
I know there are network protocols including UTP , TCP/IP ....
which one should I use ?
and What algorithm should I use?
Please Help.
Thank you so much for reading.
I would suggest just passively listening until the device sends a packet. As soon as you see a packet with that MAC address as its source, its source IP address will (most likely) be that devices IP address. The specifics of how you promiscuously monitor a network vary by operating system.
The most portable way to do it is probably to attempt to communicate with ever IP address in the subnet, checking the operating system's ARP table to see if you found the right MAC. This requires non-portable code only to pull the ARP table. It's unpleasant if you happen to find yourself on a /16 subnet -- that's over 65,000 IPs with broadcast traffic needed for each one of them.
There's probably a better way to solve your outer problem, whatever it is.
Why do we need an IP address when the MAC address is unique? Cant we communicate only with the MAC address?
You COULD communicate using only the MAC address, but only on your local network. IP addresses are routeable, without every system on the network needing to know about every other. You just need to know a range of addresses that are on your local network, and throw everything else up to your router. The same thing happens at the ISP level. "All 216.x.x.x traffic goes that way, all 105.x.x.x goes that way..."(Obviously a gross oversimplification, but that's the basic process).
If we tried to route everything by MAC address, every machine on the network would have to maintain a list of every other participant, and it just wouldn't scale.
No. MAC addresses are specific to Ethernet, IP is independent of the underlying hardware. You can connect machines that don't use Ethernet to the Internet, if you have the required bridges.
MAC addresses are not unique. MAC addresses are reused between media. This is why wireless (802.11) and wired (802.3) may not both be present on one collision domain (see 802.1D).
MAC addresses are not clustered -- meaning that devices which are nearby in network space do not have nearby MAC addresses. IP addresses do have this property of locality. Do you intend to route packets by having a universal list of MAC addresses copied to every computer on the Internet, or do you intend to route packets to their destinations through a hierarchy of localities?
On a single collision domain, MAC addresses can be the primary addressing mode (q.v. arp and rarp). However, extension to multiple collision domains is ineffective for the above reasons.
A great professor of mine named George Varghese, now at UCSD, made the following apt analogy: You want to send someone a letter. The analogy of sending to a device anywhere in the USA based on its MAC address is like sending someone a letter knowing only their Social Security Number. It does uniquely identify someone (OK, yes, SSN isn't guaranteed unique, but suppose it was for the sake of example), but it would be very hard to find them without some giant table of where everyone lived that you could look up indexed by their SSN.
An IP address (and the similar Open Systems Interconnect, or OSI, network addresses) are more like USA phone numbers with area codes and exchange numbers: (AAA) BBB-CCCC, where AAA is an area code, BBB is an exchange number, and CCCC identifies an individual line at that exchange. There is hierarchical information encoded in that number, so that when you are far away from the destination, you only need a small table indexed by area code to determine a good "next hop" to forward the call to, rather than a table of all phone numbers in the country.
Ethernet is a Medium Access Layer protocol. It was designed specifically to connect computers on the same network. If you want to connect computers remotely located, you certainly need to jump to destination by hopping through several routers. IP (Internet Protocol) was designed with this goal in mind, hence the need for it, while Ethernet protocol does not support routing. Only some forms of primitive bridging that would not scale for something huge like the Internet.
they are used for different protocol layer.
MAC address is your device specific address. It has no relation with the geographical location, etc. you are in currently.
Ex: You can buy a cellphone/laptop in US and use it in Japan,
Australia, etc. But MAC address would remain the same. But IP address
would change with respect to the network you are connected to.
So it is difficult to route packet in an internetwork of portable devices especially.
How would it be:
Consider you have a portable network-accessing device with you on which you are using the internet. If we use only the MAC address, how would any incoming packet find the location of your portable-device. Since MAC address gives you only a fixed 48-bit device address. (The worst case scenario is using a desktop computer and having a MAC address without the IP facility. Coupling it with the static table to find your predefined location based on the MAC address, but our life is incomplete without these portable devices right?)
Thus we need some addressing scheme that can help us with addressing in a big and portable environment like internet, and thus the role of IP comes into picture, where address is hierarchal to provide a more geographically exact location.
im wondering if it's possible to create p2p chat application without server(so there is no need in external static ip.Is it true?)?
EddieC is right if the computers are located inside the same sub-network (LAN) or if the computers'ip is their interface to the Internet (WAN public ip). In that case, you can just use the ip's and ports directly.
However, usually, knowing the computers ip is not enough because the machines are located behind routers inside sub-networks. Thus, because the computers are hidden behind the routers, you will have to configure the routers to foward the packets to the right computers as function of the ports used.
Have a look at : http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Port_forwarding
If you do not want to use ip's because they are dynamic, you can configure urls with Dynamic DNS services.
Good luck
It is possible. But you must have someway for one computer to tell the other computer what their IP number is. You could email it to your friend or call them on the phone or post it on a message board.
If this program only has to work on a local network (LAN), there is something called broadcasting which might be of interest to you. It allows a packet to be sent out to every device on the network without having to know their IPs (then other instances of your program could reply with the IP of their machines so you could set up proper connections).
This won't work over the internet, though (imagine being able to broadcast to every computer connected to the internet!).
I'm working on a Wake on LAN service that will run from a web site and should interact with many different platforms - therefore, no Windows-only solutions. When a user registers their system with the web site, I need to get the MAC address to use in constructing the "magic" packet. I have a Java Applet that is able to do this for me and am aware of an ActiveX control that will work, but I'm wondering if there is a way to do this server-side by querying routers/switches. Since the system may be on any of a number of different physical subnets, using ARP won't work -- unless there's a way to configure the router(s) to perform the ARP on my behalf.
Anyone know of any network APIs, proprietary or otherwise, that can be used to look up MAC addresses given an IP address? I think we're using Cisco routers, but it's a complicated network and there may be multiple vendors involved at various levels. I'd like to get some background information on possible solutions before I go to make a sacrifice to the network gods. No point in abasing myself if it's not technically possible. :-)
EDIT: We do have the network infrastructure set up to allow directed broadcast, though figuring out the exact broadcast address since netmasks are not always /24 is another conundrum that I need to solve.
If you are on a local network that uses DHCP you might be able to look in the servers database to get the MAC of the last user with that address. In the future you could watch the network for ARP requests and cache the responses in some sort of table. You might also look at using RMON or SNMP to try and query the Address Tables on the switches and routers.
It should be noted that to use WoL across routers you either need to enable Directed Broadcasts or you need to have a relay server in the local segment.
Been a while since I played routers and swtiches but this might be a starting point for what to query using SNMP http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk648/tk362/technologies_tech_note09186a00801c9199.shtml
Use the following:
getmac /s destIp
To get the remote session Mac address.
I don't know if these might be helpful but take a look:
http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134120
http://www.qualitycodes.com/tutorial.php?articleid=19
You've said everything I can think of...
The source MAC address changes as a packet hops from device to device so unless the client is on the same subnet, the server won't be able to get the MAC address. (You would do it via ARP)
A signed java applet or activex control would be the easiest solution. It would be able to (almost passively) get all the networking info you need (IE doesn't even prompt to run a signed applet)
If you are fully aware of the network that is using the service then you could probably query a gateway's client-list via SNMP or CDP. You would be able to map out IP-Addresses to MAC addresses... but this is really vendor dependent (but common) and wouldn't be much better (imo) than having an applet.
Currently the application is using a Java 6 applet that allows me to extract both the hostname and the MAC address from the remote system. I don't like having this dependency on Java 6, but Snow Leopard and Windows both support it, so I can probably live with it.
On a related-front our networking folks approached me for some help with converting some existing code to ASP.NET. During the conversation I asked if they had live MAC address information (since they do port shutoffs based on suspicious network activity -- viruses/worms). Turns out they do and we may be able to leverage this project to get access to the information from the network database.
I don't think there is any way to accomplish this. When the IP packet goes via the first router the host's MAC information is lost (as you know MAC is only used in ethernet layer). If the router most close to your PC was capable of telling the remote MAC code to you, again it would only see the MAC of the next router between your PC and the "other end".
Start sacrificing.
There's no general way to do this in terms of the network unless you have no routers involved. With a router involved, you will never see the MAC address of the originating system.
This assumes that the originating system only ever has a single network interface, so has only a single MAC address.
In fact, are you even sure that your "magic packet" (whatever that is) will reach the system you want it to reach, through the routers? That sounds like a function the routers or other network infrastructure should be performing.
Mac address is only used on network segments, and is lost at each hop. Only IP is preserved for end-to-end - and even then the from ip address is rewritten when Natted. I guess my answer is, not possible unless everything is on the same network segment, or your routers are set up for proxy arp (which is not really realistic).
You can only get MAC entries in the ARP table for machines on the same network. If you connect to a machine via a router then you will only see the routers MAC address in the ARP table. So there is no way of knowing the foreign host’s MAC address unless it's a host on the same network (no routers involved).
And by the way there are many similar question already on SO.
if it's a windows system you can use NBTSTAT -A
this will return the netbios info and the IP is there
any Management system like SMS or Altiris will have this info
The DHCP server is a good idea
If it's local you can ping it and then quickly run ARP -a
look for the IP and the MAC will be there.
you might need to write a small batch file.
if you have access to the PC you can use WMI to access the info for the Nic with DHCP.
As said above we can get mac address from a known IP address if that host is in the same subnet. First ping that ip; then look at arp -a | grep and parse the string on nix* to get mac address.
We can issue system command from all programming languages standard API's and can parse the output to get mac address.Java api can ping an IP but I am not sure if we parse the ping output(some library can do it).
It would be better to avoid issuing system command and find an alternative solution as it is not really Platform Independent way of doing it.
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