In our application, we have a "BasePage" that declares a number of properties to be used by more or less every page in the app.
Inside these properties, they write to ViewState. These are all typically an int or small string value, nothing huge. Typical use is call a web service and hold an id for use within the page, for example.
I've used viewstate since I'm wary of the loss of session variables should IIS recycle for example. Also, I figured, very small values would not add hugely to the page size.
Am I being overly paranoid about session though and would it have been a better option.
Our environment is a 2 server cluster with SSL termination on each server, sticky sessions maintained by the load balancer - so using In Proc is not a problem per say, I'm just very wary of it.
Never trust your user sent data.
Even all data you receive is not sensitive, if you send it to your user browser, you should to check it again before use it. Maybe most users are legitimate, but just one can break your application.
What are your options to store data?
Hidden field; can ve easily tampered at client side
Cookie; ancient method to keep user specific data, but very size limited.
ViewState; your data go to client and come back, using bandwidth and could be tampered.
Session, InProc; your never have problems, until a application pool get recycled
Session, State server; you keep your session data in another server process.
Session, database; can work with almost (if not all) load balance scenarios, as you dont need stick sessions, nor to worry with app pools recycling. All your data are belong to us your SQL Server.
Reading your scenario, you probably need to deal with out-of-process session storage.
I think it's best to avoid using Session state where possible, especially on a server cluster even if you are using sticky sessions. Sessions can expire, or disappear when IIS recycles (like you said).
I'd go with keeping the values in ViewState or a cookie.
If it is not sensitive data, I would also prefer to store it in the HTML rather than the session.
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In ASP.NET, sessions enable us to store and retrieve values for a user as the user navigates ASP.NET pages in a web application. However, using too much sessions is discouraged. Why? What are the disadvantages of using too many sessions?
Thanks for those who will answer.
Memory and/or performance
If you store session state in-process (the default), all of your session data are stored in the app pool's local memory. If you have thousands of users you can see why this may be a problem. The problem gets worse when developers don't remove session variables after they're no longer needed (this is very common due to the fact that it's very hard to control the order in which web pages are accessed) and/or when users do not explicitly logout (e.g. by closing the browser window), which leaves all this memory still allocated but no longer used.
If you store session state out of process (e.g. in SQL Server or a separate state server), all of the session variables end up crossing the wire. As you add more variables, more and more data have to get pulled over. This can end up degrading performance.
Concurrency
If a web application uses session state, the data in which the session state is accessed has to be protected from race conditions and other multithreading concerns. As a result, ASP.NET automatically serializes any requests that use session. If you send two requests at the same time, ASP won't even start on the second request until the first one is finished. This can cause unexpected and poor performance on applications that use a lot of AJAX or other logic that is supposed to be asynchronous.
Infrastructure
If you're using local memory for session state, and your web app is load balanced, the load balancer must enforce session stickiness, either with IP address or a cookie. This constrains the load balancer in the way it can handle requests-- all requests for a certain session always hit the same server-- which reduces overall performance and eliminates redundancy.
Loss of data
If the app pool recycles, all sessions running on that app pool lose session state, often requiring users to log out and start over.
Poor code design
Session variables are essentially global variables. Overuse of global variables tends to lead to sloppy code structure. Variables should always be scoped as tightly as possible.
Basically, it consumes server memory. As generally sessions are stored in process, this solution doesn't scale well, as can't be shared between two or more state servers.
In my .NET web app, I keep basic user info in a user session object. I also usually keep a director class in the session; which is basically just has info about whatever thing it being worked on on that screen (like a customer id).
I am trying to keep from adding a ton of sessions. I also want to make sure at any given time ONLY the sessions that are necessary are in memory.
This means I need an effective way of managing my session variables. Any suggestions?
Two things:
1 - You should not be storing so much in session that managing memory is a concern. I.e., don't store objects in session, store pointers to things, e.g., rather than an instance of User just store the UserID. If you need to, you can add caching of retrieval of info, but that should be in a caching layer separate from sessions.
2 - Use database sessions, so that there is no concern about server memory, and so that you can add more web servers easily if desired (note, StateServer gives you this capability as well). Additionally, this lets you recycle the app pool without users losing their session. This is the main reason I do it - it lets me deploy on the fly.
The reason to treat sessions so delicately, is that they hang around after a user's last request, typically for 10 to 20 minutes. So, requests from many different sessions can use up large amounts of server memory if you are storing large objects in session. Doing even crazier things, like storing database connections in session, can result in you using up all available database connections, just because so many are hanging around in memory waiting for the session to expire.
Ideally, there is no "managing" of sessions required.
What I normally do is only keep the id of an object in Session and keep the data in a caching layer in front of the database. That way, you keep your session fairly small but most data can still be retrieved efficiently if the item is in cache. This has usually worked well for me.
I think you're misunderstanding sessions in ASP.NET. You do not explicitly manage them (although you could, you would rarely want to) they are implicitly created and destroyed by ASP.NET and IIS. Every user is given a session.
Now anything you store inside a users session is stored in memory on the server so if you routinely place large objects in each users sessions this will cause the memory to grow rapidly leading to performance and scalability issues.
The only data you need to store in the session is transient data that you want to be available across different page requests that you want to be secured that it is not available to the client in a cookie or similar construct.
However reading what you're doing this is most likely not needed. Since you are working with a specific page and "director" functionality this would most likely be fitting to place on the page in the viewstate as an intermediary data store.
There is no wright answer. It depends on the number of concurrent users, on the size of your memory.
Keeping things on session is faster than on a database, if you have your session variables in proc.
I usually try to keep just things that I know the user might need during a specific task, or, like you said, information of the current user.
My suggestion is:
Wrap the session access into a IPerSessionCache interface
Have a concrete implementation of this interface
Use an instace of the concrete class in the code to get/set session data
By this, then you have the freedom to clean up the instance of IPerSessionCache when the session ends
The code will not need to know where the IPerSessionCache actually stores the data (ie. it could in the Session or in a database or in a cookie etc.)
You would have better control on the lifetime of the IPerSessionCache especially if you use a DI container for managing & creating the instance
HTH.
My suggestion: Don't use session variables. Store everything in a database.
I keep hearing that it's bad practise to store large object collections / anything in the session. Often during conversation it's quickly followed by: 'Just turn sessions off'
So what is the general problem with sessions? I use them a fair bit and since they 'real' session is stored behind a strongly typed container I don't really see the issue.
There is nothing wrong with session - you just need to be mindful of its limitations. To say "just turn off session" is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
There is a huge difference between storing BIG objects and small objects in a session
The session will stay alive on a server untill it expiers, and that means those big objects pollute your available memory. If you do that with a server under load, or a server that runs many application pools, then this can cause trouble.
You dont need cookies to have a session, since ASP cal also encode that information in the urls. Also you can configure the session store to run out of process, or even to store the information inside a SQL Server (reducing the memory load on the server, and enabeling sessions across a farm)
So basically: Objects are ok - Big objects not
Here's my take -- sessions are not bad but sometimes they are overused. It can also be harder to understand a web application's flow when it relies on a lot of sessions so of course you should be careful not to get carried away.
However, you should feel free to use them anytime you need to store temporary data to be made accessible across multiple pages. In no other situation should they be used. But that situation is one for which sessions were specifically designed.
Now, if you're worried about memory consumption on the server, that's not necessarily a reason to avoid sessions. But it may be more of a reason to avoid the InProc session provider. In fact I'm not a fan of InProc sessions as they tend to expire prematurely after a certain number of recompiles in your application.
What I actually prefer and nearly always use are SQL Server sessions. They'll be slightly slower, but the benefits are numerous. They'll persist even if the server is rebooted and that makes them a very reliable choice. And of course since they're stored in the SQL file system instead of in memory, they won't make such a big hit on memory.
This article on MSDN talks about the various session providers and also explains how to configure SQL to handle your sessions. If you don't have SQL, just know that even the free SQL Server Express 2008 can be configured as your session provider.
I had thought that it largely depends on the traffic to your web site. If you are running something like amazon.com, trying to store the user's shopping cart in a session would take huge amounts of IIS allocated memory, bringing down your web server. For smaller web sites, session variables are fine to use in moderation.
Storing large objects in Session is bad, yes, but "large" is relative.
Basically, storing an object in session will keep it in memory until the session expires, so if you have a site with a high user count all storing mega-objects in their session, you'll kill your server pretty quickly.
With that being said, an argument could be made for the idea that if you have objects that are 5k+ in memory and have enough users to actually cap out a server then you can probably afford more hardware anyway.
There are also topics like server clustering and session integrity between boxes in the cluster. Some frameworks handle this, I don't know if .NET does or not.
There are two things to be careful of:
Memory consumption: if you store large data objects in session and you have many user you may well run out of memory or at the very least triggering many early recycling of your application
This is only a problem if you have multiple web servers (web farm): the session has to be stored externally (not in process) in a SQL server or a windows service so that it is accessible from different machines. This can be quite slow at times.
Session requires the user to have cookies turned on
If you're working in a web farm, you'll run into trouble.
I guess these reasons don't have anything to do with storing large objects in session, just in using sessions at all.
2 major issues come to mind...
1) Persistence of sessions across servers when you start scaling your website
2) Memory usage explosion from storing UI objects in session state
The more serious issue is the tendency to store objects in session. When you store something as innocuous as a Label from a page on your page, you get LOTS of unwanted object attributes as well. You probably just wanted the text of that label stored in your session, but along with it, you get references to the page itself...and all of a sudden, you have a massive usage of memory to store the page, its view state, and lots of unwanted attributes in memory on your server.
Check out this link about storing UI elements in session
You may want to check out this question as well.
This is an old thread although.
But I have an experience for a session problem. I would like to share it.
There is a simple flow.
One .aspx validate a client, and read a bill-html from a file (for this client), then save this html(about 2MB) in a session variable.
This .aspx will auto redirect to next .aspx, the next .aspx retrieves this html from session. Then show it to the client.
It works fine in most cases. But some clients encountered a problem: The bill he saw is not his bill, but others.
We used sniffers tools to intercept the network package.
And we saw a strange situation:
Our IIS has definitely sent the SessionID(eg: 1111111) to the client, But when the client redirects to next page and tries to access session. The SessionID(eg: 11112222) that this client brings is different.
We think that the browser of that client does not accept the SessionID.
And finally, we abandon the use of Session, and solved this problem.
I recently came across a ASP 1.1 web application that put a whole heap of stuff in the session variable - including all the DB data objects and even the DB connection object. It ends up being huge. When the web session times out (four hours after the user has finished using the application) sometimes their database transactions get rolled back. I'm assuming this is because the DB connection is not being closed properly when IIS kills the session.
Anyway, my question is what should be in the session variable? Clearly some things need to be in there. The user selects which plan they want to edit on the main screen, so the plan id goes into the session variable. Is it better to try and reduce the load on the DB by storing all the details about the user (and their manager etc.) and the plan they are editing in the session variable or should I try to minimise the stuff in the session variable and query the DB for everything I need in the Page_Load event?
This is pretty hard to answer because it's so application-specific, but here are a few guidelines I use:
Put as little as possible in the session.
User-specific selections that should only last during a given visit are a good choice
often, variables that need to be accessible to multiple pages throughout the user's visit to your site (to avoid passing them from page to page) are also good to put in the session.
From what little you've said about your application, I'd probably select your data from the db and try to find ways to minimize the impact of those queries instead of loading down the session.
Do not put database connection information in the session.
As far as caching, I'd avoid using the session for caching if possible -- you'll run into issues where someone else changes the data a user is using, plus you can't share the cached data between users. Use the ASP.NET Cache, or some other caching utility (like Memcached or Velocity).
As far as what should go in the session, anything that applies to all browser windows a user has open to your site (login, security settings, etc.) should be in the session. Things like what object is being viewed/edited should really be GET/POST variables passed around between the screens so a user can use multiple browser windows to work with your application (unless you'd like to prevent that).
DO NOT put UI objects in session.
beyond that, i'd say it varies. too much in session can slow you down if you aren't using the in process session because you are going to be serializing a lot + the speed of the provider. Cache and Session should be used sparingly and carefully. Don't just put in session because you can or is convenient. Sit down and analyze if it makes sense.
Ideally, the session in ASP should store the least amount of data that you can get away with. Storing a reference to any object that is holding system resources open (particularly a database connection) is a definite scalability killer. Also, storing uncommitted data in a session variable is just a bad idea in most cases. Overall it sounds like the current implementation is abusively using session objects to try and simulate a stateful application in a supposedly stateless environment.
Although it is much maligned, the ASP.NET model of managing state automatically through hidden fields should really eliminate the majority of the need to keep anything in session variables.
My rule of thumb is that the more scalable (in terms of users/hits) that the app needs to be, the less you can get away with using session state. There is, however, a trade-off. For web applications where the user is repeatedly accessing the same data and typically has a fairly long session per use of the site, some caching (if necessary in session objects) can actually help scalability by reducing the load on the DB server. The idea here is that it is much cheaper and less complex to farm the presentation layer than the back-end DB. Of course, with all things, this advice should be taken in moderation and doesn't apply in all situations, but for a fairly simple in-house CRUD app, it should serve you well.
A very similar question was asked regarding PHP sessions earlier. Basically, Sessions are a great place to store user-specific data that you need to access across several page loads. Sessions are NOT a great place to store database connection references; you'd be better to use some sort of connection pooling software or open/close your connection on each page load. As far as caching data in the session, this depends on how session data is being stored, how much security you need, and whether or not the data is specific to the user. A better bet would be to use something else for caching data.
storing navigation cues in sessions is tricky. The same user can have multiple windows open and then changes get propagated in a confusing manner. DB connections should definitely not be stored. ASP.NET maintains the connection pool for you, no need to resort to your own sorcery. If you need to cache stuff for short periods and the data set size is relatively small, look into ViewState as a possible option (at the cost of loading more bulk onto the page size)
A: Data that is only relative to one user. IE: a username, a user ID. At most an object representing a user. Sometimes URL-relative data (like where to take somebody) or an error message stack are useful to push into the session.
If you want to share stuff potentially between different users, use the Application store or the Cache. They're far superior.
Stephen,
Do you work for a company that starts with "I", that has a website that starts with "BC"? That sounds exactly like what I did when I first started developing in .net (and was young and stupid) -- I crammed everything I could think of in session and application. Needless to say, that was double-plus ungood.
In general, eschew session as much as possible. Certainly, non-serializable objects shouldn't be stored there (database connections and such), but even big, serializable objects shouldn't be either. You just don't want the overhead.
I would always keep very little information in session. Sessions use server memory resources which is expensive. Saving too many values in session increases the load on server and eventualy the performance of the site will go down. When you use load balance servers, usage of session can run into problems. So what I do is use minimal or no sessions, use cookies if the information is not very critical, use hidden fields more and database sessions.
I am wanting to store the "state" of some actions the user is performing in a series of different ASP.Net webforms. What are my choices for persisting state, and what are the pros/cons of each solution?
I have been using Session objects, and using some helper methods to strongly type the objects:
public static Account GetCurrentAccount(HttpSessionState session)
{
return (Account)session[ACCOUNT];
}
public static void SetCurrentAccount(Account obj, HttpSessionState session)
{
session[ACCOUNT] = obj;
}
I have been told by numerous sources that "Session is evil", so that is really the root cause of this question. I want to know what you think "best practice", and why.
There is nothing inherently evil with session state.
There are a couple of things to keep in mind that might bite you though:
If the user presses the browser back button you go back to the previous page but your session state is not reverted. So your CurrentAccount might not be what it originally was on the page.
ASP.NET processes can get recycled by IIS. When that happens you next request will start a new process. If you are using in process session state, the default, it will be gone :-(
Session can also timeout with the same result if the user isn't active for some time. This defaults to 20 minutes so a nice lunch will do it.
Using out of process session state requires all objects stored in session state to be serializable.
If the user opens a second browser window he will expect to have a second and distinct application but the session state is most likely going to be shared between to two. So changing the CurrentAccount in one browser window will do the same in the other.
Your two choices for temporarily storing form data are, first, to store each form's information in session state variable(s) and, second, to pass the form information along using URL parameters. Using Cookies as a potential third option is simply not workable for the simple reason that many of your visitors are likely to have cookies turned off (this doesn't affect session cookies, however). Also, I am assuming by the nature of your question that you do not want to store this information in a database table until it is fully committed.
Using Session variable(s) is the classic solution to this problem but it does suffer from a few drawbacks. Among these are (1) large amounts of data can use up server RAM if you are using inproc session management, (2) sharing session variables across multiple servers in a server farm requires additional considerations, and (3) a professionally-designed app must guard against session expiration (don't just cast a session variable and use it - if the session has expired the cast will throw an error). However, for the vast majority of applications, session variables are unquestionably the way to go.
The alternative is to pass each form's information along in the URL. The primary problem with this approach is that you'll have to be extremely careful about "passing along" information. For example, if you are collecting information in four pages, you would need to collect information in the first, pass it in the URL to the second page where you must store it in that page's viewstate. Then, when calling the third page, you'll collect form data from the second page plus the viewstate variables and encode both in the URL, etc. If you have five or more pages or if the visitor will be jumping around the site, you'll have a real mess on your hands. Keep in mind also that all information will need to A) be serialized to a URL-safe string and B) encoded in such a manner as to prevent simple URL-based hacks (e.g. if you put the price in clear-text and pass it along, someone could change the price). Note that you can reduce some of these problems by creating a kind of "session manager" and have it manage the URL strings for you but you would still have to be extremely sensitive to the possibility that any given link could blow away someone's entire session if it isn't managed properly.
In the end, I use URL variables only for passing along very limited data from one page to the next (e.g. an item's ID as encoded in a link to that item).
Let us assume, then, that you would indeed manage a user's data using the built-in Sessions capability. Why would someone tell you that "Session is evil"? Well, in addition to the memory load, server-farm, and expiration considerations presented above, the primary critique of Session variables that they are, effectively, untyped variables.
Fortunately, prudent use of Session variables can avoid memory problems (big items should be kept in the database anyhow) and if you are running a site large enough to need a server farm, there are plenty of mechanisms available for sharing state built in to ASP.NET (hint: you will not use inproc storage).
To avoid essentially all of the rest of Session's drawbacks, I recommend that implement an object to hold your session data as well as some simple Session object management capabilities. Then build these into a descendent of the Page class and use this descendent Page class for all of your pages. It is then a simple matter to access your Session data via the page class as a set of strongly-typed values. Note that your Object's fields will give you a way to access each of your "session variables" in a strongly typed manner (e.g. one field per variable).
Let me know if this is a straightforward task for you or if you'd like some sample code!
As far as I know, Session is the intended way of storing this information. Please keep in mind that session state generally is stored in the process by default. If you have multiple web servers, or if there is an IIS reboot, you lose session state. This can be fixed by using a ASP.NET State Service, or even an SQL database to store sessions. This ensures people get their session back, even if they are rerouted to a different web server, or in case of a recycle of the worker process.
One of the reasons for its sinister reputation is that hurried developers overuse it with string literals in UI code (rather than a helper class like yours) as the item keys, and end up with a big bag of untestable promiscuous state. Some sort of wrapper is an entry-level requirement for non-evil session use.
As for "Session being evil" ... if you were developing in classic ASP I would have to agree, but ASP.NET/IIS does a much better job.
The real question is what is the best way to maintain state. In our case, when it comes to the current logged in user, we store that object in Session, as we are constantly referring to it for their name, email address, authorization and so forth.
Other little tidbits of information that doesn't need any long-term persistence we use a combination of cookies and viewstate.
When you want to store information that can be accessed globally in your web application, a way of doing this is the ThreadStatic attribute. This turns a static member of a Class into a member that is shared by the current thread, but not other threads. The advantage of ThreadStatic is that you don't have to have a web context available. For instance, if you have a back end that does not reference System.Web, but want to share information there as well, you can set the user's id at the beginning of every request in the ThreadStatic property, and reference it in your dependency without the need of having access to the Session object.
Because it is static but only to a single thread, we ensure that other simultaneous visitors don't get our session. This works, as long as you ensure that the property is reset for every request. This makes it an ideal companion to cookies.
I think using Session object is OK in this case, but you should remember Session can expire if there is no browser activity for long time (HttpSessionState.Timeout property determines in how many minutes session-state provider terminates the session), so it's better to check for value existence before return:
public static Account GetCurrentAccount(HttpSessionState session)
{
if (Session[ACCOUNT]!=null)
return (Account)Session[ACCOUNT];
else
throw new Exception("Can't get current account. Session expired.");
}
http://www.tigraine.at/2008/07/17/session-handling-in-aspnet/
hope this helps.
Short term information, that only needs to live until the next request, can also be stored in the ViewState. This means that objects are serialized and stored in the page sent to the browser, which is then posted back to the server on a click event or similar. Then the ViewState is decoded and turned into objects again, ready to be retrieved.
Sessions are not evil, they serve an important function in ASP.NET application, serving data that must be shared between multiple pages during a user's "session". There are some suggestions, I would say to use SQL Session management when ever possible, and make certain that the objects you are using in your session collection are "serializable". The best practices would be to use the session object when you absolutely need to share state information across pages, and don't use it when you don't need to. The information is not going to be available client side, A session key is kept either in a cookie, or through the query string, or using other methods depending on how it is configured, and then the session objects are available in the database table (unless you use InProc, in which case your sessions will have the chance of being blown away during a reload of the site, or will be rendered almost useless in most clustered environments).
I think the "evil" comes from over-using the session. If you just stick anything and everything in it (like using global variables for everything) you will end up having poor performance and just a mess.
Anything you put in the session object stays there for the duration of the session unless it is cleaned up. Poor management of memory stored using inproc and stateserver will force you to scale out earlier than necessary. Store only an ID for the session/user in the session and load what is needed into the cache object on demand using a helper class. That way you can fine tune it's lifetime according to how often that data us used. The next version of asp.net may have a distributed cache(rumor).
Session as evil: Not in ASP.NET, properly configured. Yes, it's ideal to be as stateless as possible, but the reality is that you can't get there from here. You can, however, make Session behave in ways that lessen its impact -- Notably StateServer or database sessions.