sorry if there is an answer to this somewhere, but I could not find a clear explanation.
If I need to encrypt a sensitive field before storing it in my db, can the following approach possibly work?
I write a hard-coded encryption-cipher algorithm (in my php file) without any random behavior, like shuffling a deck of cards in a certain sequence, but only I know the exact sequence. I then also write the exact opposite algorithm to de-crypt the ciphered field, thus (hopefully) eliminating the need for a decryption key.
My understanding is that only the resulting string will be exposed to http(s) traffic and even if the result is posted back it is over https.
Can this approach work?
i'm a novice and trying the security shepard project where you have to pass challenges. https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Security_Shepherd
I did all of the challenges but one that i have a really a hard time with.
To complete this challenge you have to find the key to an encryption method.
They just give you an application that can decrypt encrypted text.
IAAAAEkQBhEVBwpDHAFJGhYHSBYEGgocAw== gives This crypto is not strong.
Unlike other challenges there is no information in the source code.
I don't understand how I'm supposed to proceed.
Thanks
Instead of trying to find the algo, just try to find the algos which are most unlikely to be possible. for a instant, this is not a classic mono-alphabetic or key-less transposition cipher. On the other hand compare input and output bit sizes. Narrow down your possibilities like that and it will helps you to decide which cryptanalysis method to be used.
This may be not the perfect approach, but sure it's a start.
I am pondering creating a hash function (like md5 or sha1) using the RSA crypto algorithm. I am wondering if there are any obvious reasons that this algorithm wouldn't work:
Generate RSA public/private keys.
Discard private key, never store it at all.
Begin with a hash with a length of the block size for the RSA encryption.
Encrypt message using public key, one block at a time.
For each encrypted block of the message, accumulate it to the hash using a specified algorithm (probably a combination of +, xor, etc.)
To verify a message has the same hash as a stored hash, use the saved public key and repeat the process.
Is this possible, secure, and practical?
Thanks for any comments.
RSA encryption is not deterministic: if you follow the RSA standard, you will see that some random bytes are injected. Therefore, if you encrypt with RSA the same message twice, chances are that you will not get twice the same output.
Also, your "unspecified step 5" is likely to be weak. For instance, if you define a way to hash a block, and then just XOR the blocks together, then A||B and B||A (for block-sized values A and B) will hash to the same value; that's collision bonanza.
Academically, building hash functions out of number-theoretic structures (i.e. not a raw RSA, but reusing the same kind of mathematical element) has been tried; see this presentation from Lars Knudsen for some details. Similarly, the ECOH hash function was submitted for the SHA-3 competition, using elliptic curves at its core (but it was "broken"). The underlying hope is that hash function security could somehow be linked to the underlying number-theoretic hard problem, thus providing provable security. However, in practice, such hash functions are either slow, weak, or both.
There are already hashes that do essentially this, except perhaps not with the RSA algorithm in particular. They're called cryptographic hashes, and their salient point is that they're cryptographically secure - meaning that the same strength and security-oriented thought that goes into public key cryptographic functions has gone into them as well.
The only difference is, they've been designed from the ground-up as hashes, so they also meet the individual requirements of hash functions, which can be considered as additional strong points that cryptographic functions need not have.
Moreover, there are factors which are completely at odds between the two, for instance, you want hash functions to be as fast as possible without compromising security whereas being slow is oftentimes seen as a feature of cryptographic functions as it limits brute force attacks considerably.
SHA-512 is a great cryptographic hash and probably worthy of your attention. Whirlpool, Tiger, and RipeMD are also excellent choices. You can't go wrong with any of these.
One more thing: if you actually want it to be slow, then you definitely DON'T want a hash function and are going about this completely wrong. If, as I'm assuming, what you want is a very, very secure hash function, then like I said, there are numerous options out there better suited than your example, while being just as or even more cryptographically secure.
BTW, I'm not absolutely convinced that there is no weakness with your mixing algorithm. While the output of each RSA block is intended to already be uniform with high avalanching, etc, etc, etc, I remain concerned that this could pose a problem for chosen plaintext or comparative analysis of similar messages.
Typically, it is best to use an algorithm that is publicly available and has gone through a review process. Even though there might be known weaknesses with such algorithms, that is probably better than the unknown weaknesses in a home-grown algorithm. Note that I'm not saying the proposed algorithm has flaws; it's just that even if a large number of answers are given here saying that it seems good, it doesn't guarantee that it doesn't. Of course, the same thing can be said about algorithms such as MD5, SHA, etc. But at least with those, a large number of people have put them through a rigorous analysis.
Aside from the previous "boilerplate" warnings against designing one's own cryptographic functions, it seems the proposed solution might be somewhat expensive in terms of processing time. RSA encryption on a large document could be prohibitive.
Without thinking too much about it, it seems like that would be cryptographically secure.
However, you'd have to be careful of chosen plaintext attacks, and if your input is large you may run into speed issues (as asymmetric crypto is significantly slower than cryptographic hashes).
So, in short: yes, this seems like it could be possible and secure… But unless there is a really compelling reason, I would use a standard HMAC if you want a keyed hash.
As mentioned above step 4.) is to be done deterministic, i.e. with modulus and public key exponent, only.
If the hash in step 3.) is private, the concept appears secure to me.
Concerning Step 5.): In known CBC mode of kernel algorithms the mix with previous result is done before encryption, Step 4.), might be better for avoiding collusions, e.g. with a lazy hash; XOR is fine.
Will apply this, as available implementations of known hash functions might have backdoors :)
Deterministic Java RSA is here.
EDIT
Also one should mention, that RSA is scalable without any limits. Such hash function can immediately serve as Mask Generation Function.
I am reading about cryptography I was thinking about these properties of AES (that I use):
same message = same ouput
no message length secrecy
possible insecurity if you know the messages (does this actually apply to AES?)
I hear that AES is secure, but what if I want to theoritcaly improve these properties?
I was thinking I could do this:
apply encryption algorithm A
XOR with random data D (making sure the output looks random in case of any cipher)
generate random data that are longer than the original message
use hashing function F to allocate slots in random data (this scrambles the order bytes)
Inputs: Encryption algorith A, Data to XOR with D and a hashing function F
My questions are
does the proposed solution theoreticaly help with my concerns?
is this approach used somewhere?
Possible enhancements to this approach
I could also say that the next position chosen by hashing function will be altered using a checksum of the last decoded byte after the XOR step (that way the message has to be decoded from beginning to end)
If I was to use this to have conversation with someone, the data to XOR with could be the last message from the other person, but thats probably a vulnerability.
I am looking forward to your thoughts!
(This is only theoretical, I am not in need of more secure encryption, just trying to learn from you guys.)
Yeah.
Look. If you want to learn about cryptography, I suggest you read Applied Cryptography. Really, just do it. You will get some nice definitive learnings, and get an understanding of what is appropriate and what is not. It specifically talks about implementation, which is what you are after.
Some rules of thumb:
Don't make up your own scheme. This is almost universally true. There may be exceptions, but it's fair to say that you should only invent your own scheme if you've thoroughly reviewed all existing schemes and have specific quantifiable reasons for them not being good enough.
Model your attacker. Find out what scenarios you are intending to protect against, and structure your system so that it works to mitigate the potential attacks.
Complexity is your enemy. Don't make your system more complex then it needs to be.
Stay up to date. You can find a few mailing lists related to cryptography and (and hashing) join them. From there you will learn interesting implementation details, and be aware of the latest attacks.
As for specifically addressing your question, well, it's confusing. I don't understand your goal, nor do I understand steps 3 and 4. You might like to take a quick look here to gain an understanding of the different ways you can use a given encryption algorithm.
Hope this helps.
You assumptions are incorrect.
same message != same output
The output will not be the same if you encrypt the same message twice.
This is because you are suppsed to use different IVs'.
Message length can be hidden by adding random data to the plaintext.
Attacks have been demonstrated against AES with lesser number of rounds.
Full-round AES has not been compromised in any way.
Other than that I suggest you follow Noon Silks recommendation and read Applied Cryptography.
What's the point of the random data XOR? If it's truly random, how will you ever decrypt it? If you're saying the random data is part of the key, you might as well drop AES and use only the truly random key - as long as it's the same length (or longer than) the data and is never used more than once to encrypt. It's called a one-time pad, the only theoretically unbreakable encryption algorithm I know about.
If the random bits are pseudo-randomly generated, it's highly unlikely that your efforts will yield added security. Consider how many talented mathematicians were involved in designing AES...
EDIT: And I too highly recommend Applied Cryptography, it's an actually very readable and interesting book, not as dry as it may sound.
I heard some time that encryption and cipher are not the same thing, if so, what's the difference?
a cipher is a method (algorithm) used for encryption of some text. But english speakers have that habit of making verbs from nouns... hence ciphering became a synonym of encrypting.
Now, the fun part. If you consider decrypt and decipher, now they have different meanings.
decrypt means applying the decryption key to some code
decipher means finding the meaning of some text that was not deliberately encrypted.
In France (I'm french) we also have funny confusion with similar words. We have "chiffrer" (very similar to "cipher") that is the correct word and means encrypt, but we also use the verb "crypter" that means the same thing but is considered as an anglicism (verb built from english "crypted"). When we go for the opposite words "décrypter" and "dechiffrer" we also have different meanings but not like the english ones... "déchiffrer" means the same that both english words decrypt and decipher depending on the case, but "décrypter" is used when you try to get the clear text without the code (it means breaking the code). I believe there is no english word that means that.
Looking at my answer, I wonder if things were not clearer before it.... natural language is definitely some kind of encryption.
You might take a look at this article on the difference between Encryption and Cryptography. It also addresses the definition of cipher in the process.
Excerpts:
What is Cryptography?
In simple terms, cryptography is the science concerned with the study of secret communication.
What is Encryption?
...
... "encryption" basically is some process or algorithm (known as a cipher) to make information hidden or secret. And to make that process useful, you need some code (or key) to make information accessible.
A cipher is an algorithm of encryption. Ex. substitution cipher, permutation cipher, etc.
Encryption is just the process of obfuscating information.
So in a simplistic sense of the idea, you use a cipher to encrypt stuff. :)