Microcontroller + Verilog/VHDL simulator? - microcontroller

Question

Over the years I've worked on a number of microcontroller-based projects; mostly with Microchip's PICs. I've used various microcontroller simulators, and while they can be very helpful at times, I often find myself frustrated. In real life microcontrollers never exist alone and the firmware's behavior is dependent on the environment. However, none of the sims I've used provide decent support for anything outside the microcontroller.
My first thought was to model the entire board in Verilog. But, I'd rather not create an entire CPU model, and I haven't had much luck finding existing models for the chips I use. Regardless, I really don't need, or want, to simulate the proc at that level of detail, and I'd like to retain the debugging facilities provided by a regular processor sim.
It seems to me that the ideal solution would be a hybrid simulator that interfaces a traditional processor simulator with a Verilog model.
Does such a thing exist?

Answer 1

I've used the Altera Nios II processor embedded on a FPGA. Altera provides a toolchain for simulating the CPU (with its software) together with your custom logic in a simulator. I suppose that a similar setup can be achieved by downloading a VHDL/Verilog core of your CPU (Did you try opencores ? They have lots of stuff there).
But keep in mind that it is going to be mind-bogglingly slow, so don't expect to simulate whole complex processes this way. The best you can hope for is simulating fine software-hardware interaction points to debug problems. If you need a deeper simulation, consider running it on a FPGA with built-in monitoring code.

Answer 2

For the "simulate the whole board" approach,
The Free Model Foundry has a large number of models, some in VHDL others in Verilog, that are available now.. but you'll need to pay to have new models created. These are very helpful in being sure the board is built correctly.
But I think the more common approach when debugging your PIC is to just build a board, then work on the firmware. In the chip world, (where the firmware is running on a microprocessor in a chip that hasn't gone to fab yet) people often resort to very expensive systems (or renting time on them) that allow compiling part of the design into an emulator while the rest of the design runs in the normal simulator environment. Without the barrier of an expensive mask set for the chip, the cost is just not justifiable for a Circuit board. Although I've heard of some creative applications of Simulink (Mathworks) with FPGA's, but my recollection is that one either ran the system on the computer, or programmed the device and ran the same thing in realtime.
I believe both Cadence (ask about Palladium) and Mentor Graphics have that integrated solution if you have the money to spend on it.

Answer 3

What I have done recently is create an interface between the simulation environment and host system. Different hdl simulators have different interfaces, and getting the simulator NOT think in batch mode, the traditional simulation model, instead run for ever like a real design is half of the problem.
Then from the host using C (or whatever) you can create abstractions that may or may not allow you to write your application software for whatever target (depending on what language and compiler capabilities you have). For example you can make a generic poke and peek function and on the final target have those actually poke and peek memory or I/O, but for simulation through the abstraction you talk to a testbench in the simulation that simulates the same memory cycle.
I went one step further and used (Berkeley) sockets between the host and test bench so that the simulation can keep running while the host applications stop and start. Not unlike having a real processor with an OS that you are starting applications and running them to completion and starting another. At least for test applications, for delivery you probably only have one app.
By creating these abstraction layers I can write real applications that will be used on the target when it is built. Along the way you can use software simulation of the logic initially, then if you like build an fpga with an abstraction interface (throw away logic) say a uart for example. Replace the shim between the applications abstraction layer and the simulator with a uart interface, or whatever. Then when you marry the processor and logic in the same chip or on the same board, replace the abstraction layer again with direct calls to whatever interfaces they have always though they were talking to. If something breaks and you have retained the abstraction layer you can take the application back to the simulation model and have access to all of your logic internals.
Specifically this time around I am using a hdl language cyclicity cdl which is on sourceforge, the documentation needs some help but the examples may get you going, and it produces synthesizable verilog, so you get an extra win there. I threw out all the scripting batch stuff other than the bare minimum needed to connect and start a C simulation model. So my test bench is in C (well C++ technically) the sockets layer was done there. The output can be .vcd files which gtkwave uses. Basically you can do the bulk of your HDL design using open source software with no licenses, etc. By adding one or two lines of code to the CDL simulation part I was able to have it run as an infinite loop, which I can say works quite well, there doesnt appear to be any memory leaks, etc.
both modelsim and cadence have standardized ways of connecting host C programs to the simulation world and from there you can use an IPC to get to host applications talking to an abstraction layer api.
this is probably way overkill for a pic, I have given up pics a while ago for the faster and C friendly arm based micros anyway. There is/was an open core pic that you could simply incorporate into your simulation, even though that is not what you are trying to do here.

Answer 4

Not that I've seen. Your best bet is to properly define the interfaces and behavior between the uC and FPGA and then define a series of test waveforms that can be applied using an automated tester. You would have to make the automated tester (or perhaps a logic analyzer may have some such functionality) out of an FPGA or uC (apply waveform, watch interrupts, breakpoints, etc). If you really want I know that Opencores.org has PIC and AVR-like 8-bit uC cores defined as VHDL, so you could implement your entire project on the FPGA and then just debug that.

Answer 5

Generally there isn't need to model the CPU at the RTL level. Since you don't really care about what it does bit by bit; you generally care about what it does, e.g. register values, memories and bus access.
The simplest is call at Bus Functional Model. This just generates the read and writes that the CPU does, often based on a text file. These are available for some CPUs and many popular buses (e.g. PCI, PCIe). THese simulate super fast.
The next step up is a functional cycle-accurate model. Those simulate fast. They are often encrypted.
Last is a full RTL model. Those usually are only available if you are working closely with the CPU vendor, e.g. using their core in your ASIC. Typically these are encrypted, unless you are a huge company.
Memory models are typically cycle-accurate (e.g. Micron).

Answer 6

My workmates from the hardware department use FPGA simulation software quite often to find timing-bugs and trace down strange behaviours.
Simulating one or two milliseconds can take several hours, so using the simulator for anything but very small things is not feasable.
You may want to have a look at SystemC though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SystemC