I am an experienced .NET applications developer. All of my development experience has been with desktop apps with WinForms/WPF.
The last time I worked with ASP was back in 1998. A lot has changed with ASP.NET, and I realize this. I am wondering what is the best resource for ramping up quickly with ASP.NET and WebForms (not MVC). Any Suggestions?
I always recommend this site:
ASP .NET Learn
It's the official ASP .NET site, there you'll find really good videos that will help you to get up developing quickly in ASP .NET
The ASP.NET Page Life Cycle, must you know, padawan, if seek to master the web, you do
Personally I find that the best way is to start digging in, find either an existing project to enhance or start out building something. The best way for me anyway is to have a problem to solve, by doing this it makes life a lot easier. At least that is the way I learn new technologies.
There are many good reference/tutorial sites out there as well that could help you out a lot, such as 4GuysFromRolla.com.
HTML/CSS Tutorials
ASP.NET Quickstart Tutorial
Nice series of videos
.NET 3.5 Enhancements Training Kit RTM
ASP.NET Learn already mentioned.
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Hello I have built an application using asp.net MVC, this project is all working well but I am finding a lot of documentation with Stripe has documentation depreciated, however, the documentation is fine for asp.net core
Is it a massive change between the two types, why doesn't it seem to work with my one. I am new to all of this but it doesn't really make a lot of sense to me so please explain in lamens terms and link some articles if it would help :)
I understand your confusion :D I've worked with ASP.NET for very long (since web forms). I'll try to explain to the best of my understanding.
MVC is a design pattern that has seen a lot of success and has been adapted widely by several frameworks. ASP.NET MVC is the dot net implementation of the MCV pattern.
ASP.NET Core is a redesign of ASP.NET with a lot of new features and benefits. The biggest advertised differences is the fact that DOT NET CORE is open source and cross platform.
In an asp.net core web application you will still see the MVC pattern with several improvements since ASP.NET MVC.
If your project works perfectly you don't have to do a complete redesign. The frameworks will keep updating and as developers we need to stay updated but we can't go and redesign every project. New projects are a different story. If you start something new definitely consider using ASP.NET Core.
Here is one of Microsoft's docs that helps understand the difference.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/choose-aspnet-framework?view=aspnetcore-3.1
If you split your application into different projects for the front-end stuff, business logic, and data access, it shouldn't be too painful to port it over. The business and data access code should mostly work the same way. it's just the bit of MVC presentation stuff that will be markedly different.
I have been doing windows applications using c#.
But recently our management has planned to make some of the projects to be web based.
We thought of using asp.net with c#.
Can anybody guide me on effectively learning asp.net.
pls provide some useful links for sample projects.
Thanks in advance.
Web Forms would be a quicker route if your used to desktop development (over microsoft MVC). MVC3 is my preference but takes a bit longer to get used to if your not familiar with it. MVC3 gives you more control over your code and in my oppinion is less bloated.
May be worth looking into the MVC pattern if you go down this route.
Loads of videos to get you started here: http://www.asp.net/web-forms
They have a couple of example applications you can work through:
Web Forms: Contoso University App
MVC: MVC3 Starter App
as simple as this: http://www.asp.net
I'd recommend to start with ASP.Net MVC even you'll find it a bit complex in the beginning , Here you can find a lot of tutorials and books
you can also take a look at the MVC Music Store , it is a complete project to learn ASP.Net MVC by example.
I would steer clear of WebForms - even though it may seem a more natural fit coming from your WinForms background, you will run into issues later on. Given that you're going to have to learn a new platform anyway, makes sense to learn MVC and get off on the right foot (note that there are alternative MVC frameworks to ASP.NET MVC such as Fubu but these are probably riskier options in your situation).
PluralSight do some good online training courses, though you do need to pay for them.
At the moment we're evaluating whether it's worth it to start using ASP.NET MVC in combination with Visual Studio 2010.
I've been searching the web for experiences developers have had with working with ASP.NET MVC. I can't seem to find any. So I decided to post a question here.
Are there any people out there that have used ASP.NET-MVC for serious development? What are the experiences so far? Does ASP.NET-MVC help or hinder projects? Do you deliver your project on time? Does ASP.NET-MVC save you time or does it make you go over time and over budget?
And then the big question: Now that you've been working with ASP.NET MVC for a while, do you wish you had chosen an alternative? If that's the case, which alternative?
Thanks,
M
StackOverflow itself is an ASP.NET MVC site and I would say it is pretty successful.
I think it depends more on the people doing the actual implementation of the site than on the technology used how 'successful' the end result will be (successful in the broadest sense: on time, within budget, happy end users, ...).
Asp.net mvc is a better then asp.net webform some reason are here
the logic code in asp.net MVC is maintainable and clean.
he provide a better performance then webform
provide a pretty url for SEO and user-friendly.
full control on mockup [without using server-side control].
if you want to see there are many example of MVC project. stackoverflow.com is one of them.
I am a big fan of ASP.NET MVC (especially with the great improvements done in MVC3). I have worked on two big sites built entirely in MVC2 SempToshiba Brazil and Cyrela Brasil. These projects have been quite sucessful. They were delivered on time, saved time and our clients were very happy. Lastly, no, I would not have chosen an alternative. A side note, the Cyrela project was actually a re-do of a ASP.NET Web Forms site that had various downsides.
On the other hand, I have seen a large project done in MVC 2 by inexperience programmers, and it is one the worse projects I have ever seen. So, over all, ASP.NET MVC has some major advantages, but if the team is inexperienced in ASP.NET MVC you will get poor results.
On another note, this post has some great ASP.NET MVC 3 material.
We are planning to start a new asp.net web based application in a few weeks. We have three members in our team all with experience in asp.net 2.0
We are jumping direct from asp.net 2.0 to 4.0 (skipping 3.5) and we were discussing, should we go for asp.net 4.0 webforms or should we learn/develop in asp.net MVC? However, we don't have any prior MVC experience.
If you guys think that MVC is the way to go then please recommend good books using C#.
As with all engineering decisions, it depends.
Is your timeline long enough that you can ride the learning curve? Is everyone OK with learning MVC, or are you going to get blowback? Does your team know and understand HTML and CSS? I know this seems like a silly question, but a lot of ASP.NET WebForms programmers get by without really understanding the concepts for quite some time.
Do you want to make pervasive use of Ajax and CSS? Does anyone know JQuery or one of the other JS frameworks and want to make the best of them? Is unit testing important to you?
If the answers to these questions are, in general, "yes", then I would recommend taking the plunge and going for ASP.NET MVC over WebForms. As far as a book goes, I'll leave that to others. I still have not found a book that I really like yet.
I know that I'm pretty much an exclusive ASP.NET MVC programmer for new projects going forward. IMO WebForms is a broken and outdated model. Viewstate is painful for developers and web services, and postbacks are painful for users.
If you are comfortable with and know Web Forms well, use those.
Generally, use the tool you are most comfortable with.
My suggestion is: if you are tight scheduled and development team is experienced with web forms 2.0, your choose should be web form. It is nothing so serious happend between 2.0 and 4.0 that you might loose competence. Web forms still web forms.
If you have month or so as buffer to get in into MVC, you should do that. It is more natural for web development, and what I like - more testable.
I'm personally not to quick to rewrite my applications on MVC 2.0, and even start new project with MVC.. Maybe I wait for 3.0 version :)
A lot of information is here:
http://www.asp.net/mvc
A also got sources of Mvs2inaction (please google for Mvc2inaction and be pointed to github site)
And sure you have to check Phil Haack blog.
(sorry could not post a lot of links yet))
As others have answered already about what to choose between Web Forms and MVC, if you have decided to go for MVC you can find book recommendation in following links -
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1281726/good-asp-net-mvc-vb-books (Although the questions is about VB books but answers are for both)
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1942068/best-resources-books-for-asp-net-mvc-framework-closed
Also I would like to recommend one new book which I have just started to read. This is good for understanding the concepts and compares Web Forms and MVC.
Programming Microsoft ASP.NET MVC - Dino Esposito
I have read several ASP.NET 3.5 and 4.0 books that begin explaining a concept with something like "in classic ASP it would have been done like this."
Why do ASP.NET 4.0 books still refer to classic ASP? Are there really that many developers jumping from Classic ASP directly to ASP.NET 4.0 or is it just force of habit?
I would guess that the "latest" ASP.NET books are mostly just lightly-updated versions of books that first came out when ASP.NET was new. You're right, though, that's a pretty dated reference by now. It's like making fun of the Rolling Stones for being so old, when you should be making fun of the Smashing Pumpkins for being so old.
Programming web applications in classic ASP meant programming at much lower level, ie one needed to know more about the stateless nature of the web and the techniques to pass infromation between the server and the client. Having done a lot of asp work before moving to asp.net webforms made things easier to resolve when there were problems, now that MVC is around, knowing asp has become even more useful as it is less abstracted.
I suspect a lot of web developers using ASP.NET have come from a classic ASP background and its easier to compare/relate with as its also a Microsoft technology.
Alot of websites are still made in classic ASP. So yes I think a lot of developers migrate websites from ASP to ASP.NET. Also, many developers are used to ASP and perhaps somewhat new to ASP.NET and therefore it can be a good help to see the equivalent example in ASP.