What is the need for immutable/persistent data structures in erlang - functional-programming

Each Erlang process maintains its own private address space. All communication happens via copying without sharing (except big binaries). If each process is processing one message at a time with no concurrent access over its objects, I don't see why do we need immutable/persistent data structures.

Erlang was initially implemented in Prolog, which doesn't really use mutable data structures either (though some dialects do). So it started off without them. This makes runtime implementation simpler and faster (garbage collection in particular).
So adding mutable data structures would require a lot of effort, could introduce bugs, and Erlang programmers are nearly by definition at least willing to live without them.
Many actually consider their absence to be a positive good: less concern about object identity, no need for defensive copying because you don't know whether some other piece of code is going to modify the data you passed (or might be changed later to modify it), etc.
This absence does mean that Erlang is pretty unusable in some domains (e.g. high performance scientific computing), at least as the main language. But again, this means that nobody in these domains is going to use Erlang in the first place and so there's no particular incentive to make it usable at the cost of making existing users unhappy.
I remember seeing a mailing list post by Joe Armstrong quite a long time ago (which I couldn't find with a quick search now) saying that he initially planned to add mutable variables when he'd need them... except he never quite did, and performance was good enough for everything he was using Erlang for.

It is indeed the case that in Erlang immutability does not solve any "shared state" problems, as immutable data are "process local".
From the functional programming language perspective, however, immutability offers a number of benefits, summarized adequately in this Quora answer:
The simplest definition of functional programming is that it’s a programming
paradigm where you are transforming immutable data with functions.
The definition uses functions in the mathematical sense, where it’s
something that takes an input, and produces an output.
OO + mutability tends to violate that definition because when you want
to change a piece of data it generally will not return the output, it
will likely return void or unit, and that when you call a method on
the object the object itself isn’t input for the function.
As far as what advantages the paradigm has, composability, thread
safety, being able to track what went wrong where better, the ability
to sort of separate the data from the actual computation on it being
done, etc.

how would this work?
factorial(1) -> 1;
factorial(X) ->
X*factorial(X-1).
if you run factorial(4), a single process will be running the same function. Each time the function will have it's own value of X, if the value of X was in the scope of the process and not the function recursive functions wouldn't work. So first we need to understand scope. If you want to say that you don't see why data needs to be immutable within the scope of a single function/block you would have a point, but it would be a headache to think about where data is immutable and where it isn't.

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Could you implement async-await by memcopying stack frames rather than creating state machines?

I am trying to understand all the low-level stuff Compilers / Interpreters / the Kernel do for you (because I'm yet another person who thinks they could design a language that's better than most others)
One of the many things that sparked my curiosity is Async-Await.
I've checked the under-the-hood implementation for a couple languages, including C# (the compiler generates the state machine from sugar code) and Rust (where the state machine has to be implemented manually from the Future trait), and they all implement Async-Await using state machines.
I've not found anything useful by googling ("async copy stack frame" and variations) or in the "Similar questions" section.
To me, this method seems rather complicated and overhead-heavy;
Could you not implement Async-Await by simply memcopying the stack frames of async calls to/from heap?
I'm aware that it is architecturally impossible for some languages (I thank the CLR can't do it, so C# can't either).
Am I missing something that makes this logically impossible? I would expect less complicated code and a performance boost from doing it that way, am I mistaken? I suppose when you have a deep stack hierarchy after a async call (eg. a recursive async function) the amount of data you would have to memcopy is rather large, but there are probably ways to work around that.
If this is possible, then why isn't it done anywhere?
Yes, an alternative to converting code into state machines is copying stacks around. This is the way that the go language does it now, and the way that Java will do it when Project Loom is released.
It's not an easy thing to do for real-world languages.
It doesn't work for C and C++, for example, because those languages let you make pointers to things on the stack. Those pointers can be used by other threads, so you can't move the stack away, and even if you could, you would have to copy it back into exactly the same place.
For the same reason, it doesn't work when your program calls out to the OS or native code and gets called back in the same thread, because there's a portion of the stack you don't control. In Java, project Loom's 'virtual threads' will not release the thread as long as there's native code on the stack.
Even in situations where you can move the stack, it requires dedicated support in the runtime environment. The stack can't just be copied into a byte array. It has to be copied off in a representation that allows the garbage collector to recognize all the pointers in it. If C# were to adopt this technique, for example, it would require significant extensions to the common language runtime, whereas implementing state machines can be accomplished entirely within the C# compiler.
I would first like to begin by saying that this answer is only meant to serve as a starting point to go in the actual direction of your exploration. This includes various pointers and building up on the work of various other authors
I've checked the under-the-hood implementation for a couple languages, including C# (the compiler generates the state machine from sugar code) and Rust (where the state machine has to be implemented manually from the Future trait), and they all implement Async-Await using state machines
You understood correctly that the Async/Await implementation for C# and Rust use state machines. Let us understand now as to why are those implementations chosen.
To put the general structure of stack frames in very simple terms, whatever we put inside a stack frame are temporary allocations which are not going to outlive the method which resulted in the addition of that stack frame (including, but not limited to local variables). It also contains the information of the continuation, ie. the address of the code that needs to be executed next (in other words, the control has to return to), within the context of the recently called method. If this is a case of synchronous execution, the methods are executed one after the other. In other words, the caller method is suspended until the called method finishes execution. This, from a stack perspective fits in intuitively. If we are done with the execution of a called method, the control is returned to the caller and the stack frame can be popped off. It is also cheap and efficient from a perspective of the hardware that is running this code as well (hardware is optimised for programming with stacks).
In the case of asynchronous code, the continuation of a method might have to trigger several other methods that might get called from within the continuation of callers. Take a look at this answer, where Eric Lippert outlines the entirety of how the stack works for an asynchronous flow. The problem with asynchronous flow is that, the method calls do not exactly form a stack and trying to handle them like pure stacks may get extremely complicated. As Eric says in the answer, that is why C# uses graph of heap-allocated tasks and delegates that represents a workflow.
However, if you consider languages like Go, the asynchrony is handled in a different way altogether. We have something called Goroutines and here is no need for await statements in Go. Each of these Goroutines are started on their own threads that are lightweight (each of them have their own stacks, which defaults to 8KB in size) and the synchronization between each of them is achieved through communication through channels. These lightweight threads are capable of waiting asynchronously for any read operation to be performed on the channel and suspend themselves. The earlier implementation in Go is done using the SplitStacks technique. This implementation had its own problems as listed out here and replaced by Contigious Stacks. The article also talks about the newer implementation.
One important thing to note here is that it is not just the complexity involved in handling the continuation between the tasks that contribute to the approach chosen to implement Async/Await, there are other factors like Garbage Collection that play a role. GC process should be as performant as possible. If we move stacks around, GC becomes inefficient because accessing an object then would require thread synchronization.
Could you not implement Async-Await by simply memcopying the stack frames of async calls to/from heap?
In short, you can. As this answer states here, Chicken Scheme uses a something similar to what you are exploring. It begins by allocating everything on the stack and move the stack values to heap when it becomes too large for the GC activities (Chicken Scheme uses Generational GC). However, there are certain caveats with this kind of implementation. Take a look at this FAQ of Chicken Scheme. There is also lot of academic research in this area (linked in the answer referred to in the beginning of the paragraph, which I shall summarise under further readings) that you may want to look at.
Further Reading
Continuation Passing Style
call-with-current-continuation
The classic SICP book
This answer (contains few links to academic research in this area)
TLDR
The decision of which approach to be taken is subjective to factors that affect the overall usability and performance of the language. State Machines are not the only way to implement the Async/Await functionality as done in C# and Rust. Few languages like Go implement a Contigious Stack approach coordinated over channels for asynchronous operations. Chicken Scheme allocates everything on the stack and moves the recent stack value to heap in case it becomes heavy for its GC algorithm's performance. Moving stacks around has its own set of implications that affect garbage collection negatively. Going through the research done in this space will help you understand the advancements and rationale behind each of the approaches. At the same time, you should also give a thought to how you are planning on designing/implementing the other parts of your language for it be anywhere close to be usable in terms of performance and overall usability.
PS: Given the length of this answer, will be happy to correct any inconsistencies that may have crept in.
I have been looking into various strategies for doing this myseøf, because I naturally thi k I can design a language better than anybody else - same as you. I just want to emphasize that when I say better, I actually mean better as in tastes better for my liking, and not objectively better.
I have come to a few different approaches, and to summarize: It really depends on many other design choices you have made in the language.
It is all about compromises; each approach has advantages and disadvantages.
It feels like the compiler design community are still very focused on garbage collection and minimizing memory waste, and perhaps there is room for some innovation for more lazy and less purist language designers given the vast resources available to modern computers?
How about not having a call stack at all?
It is possible to implement a language without using a call stack.
Pass continuations. The function currently running is responsible for keeping and resuming the state of the caller. Async/await and generators come naturally.
Preallocated static memory addresses for all local variables in all declared functions in the entire program. This approach causes other problems, of course.
If this is your design, then asymc functions seem trivial
Tree shaped stack
With a tree shaped stack, you can keep all stack frames until the function is completely done. It does not matter if you allow progress on any ancestor stack frame, as long as you let the async frame live on until it is no longer needed.
Linear stack
How about serializing the function state? It seems like a variant of continuations.
Independent stack frames on the heap
Simply treat invocations like you treat other pointers to any value on the heap.
All of the above are trivialized approaches, but one thing they have in common related to your question:
Just find a way to store any locals needed to resume the function. And don't forget to store the program counter in the stack frame as well.

Global State in Functional Programming (F#)

I want to compute some functions which are dependent on some variables (specific data on which I run the code) and global variables, which are unlikely to be changed, but I want to leave them user-tunable. Just to clarify with an example, suppose I want to declare the following function:
let multiplyByGain x =
x * gain
Where would you declare gain, being gain a global constant for the whole project. In a separate module with constants? That would couple the module with this code, though. Or would you use a curried version:
let multiblyByGain x gain =
x * gain
and then specialize for the specific values? But suppose you have many functions like that, you will have to inject gain to all of them (in a sort of linking module)?
In my specific problem this becomes more cumbersome because both x and gain are arrays which must have the same length, suppose I have to do a Array.zip, e.g.: what is the best practice in terms of functional design to address a global constant, as gain, in a general way?
P.S.: I have found this old postenter link description here, but addresses only a specific problem.
There is no single correct answer to the question and the best approach will depend on a variety of other constraints and requirements that you have. Also, it depends on whether you are asking specifically about F# or whether you are asking about functional programming more generally. I think there are three main points:
Keeping it simple.
Using a module that exposes gain as a global value, which has some initialization code to read configuration seems like a good default approach in F#. If this is changed only rarely (say, before you run the whole computation), then mutation is not going to cause you any troubles. You just need to be careful to avoid changing the values while some computation is still running. I think most F# programmers code tend to be quite pragmatic about this and this seems like the easiest thing to start with.
Unit testing.
If you want to unit ytest your multiplyByGain function with different gain as an argument, then you'll need some way of passing different values of gain to the function from your unit tests. In this case, having it as an additional parameter and using currying is nice, because you can just call it with other values of gain from your tests.
Functional programming.
Some functional language communities (especially Haskell and, sometimes, Scala) are way more strict about state. The purely functional way of keeping state would be to use monads (either the reader monad or some kind of free monad structure). This makes your code a lot more complicated (both conceptually and in terms of extra syntactic overhead), but it is a purely functional solution that eliminates state. In F#, this kind of approach is even more cumbersome, so it's not very common.

How does functional programming avoid state when it seems unavoidable?

Let's say we define a function c sum(a, b), functional programming -style, that returns the sum of its arguments. So far so good; all the nice things of FP without any problems.
Now let's say we run this in an environment with dynamic typing and a singleton, stateful error stream. Then let's say we pass a value of a and/or b that sum isn't designed to handle (i.e. not numbers), and it needs to indicate an error somehow.
But how? This function is supposed to be pure and side-effect-less. How does it insert an error into the global error stream without violating that?
No programming language that I know of has anything like a "singleton stateful error stream" built in, so you'd have to make one. And you simply wouldn't make such a thing if you were trying to write your program in a pure functional style.
You could, however, have a sum function that returns either the sum or an indication of an error. The type used to do this is in fact often known by the name Either. Then you could easily make a function that invokes a whole bunch of computations that could possibly return an error, and returns a list of all the errors that were encountered in the other computations. That's pretty close to what you were talking about; it's just explicitly returned rather than being global.
Remember, the question when you're writing a functional program is "how do I make a program that has the behavior I want?" not, "how would I duplicate one particular approach taken in another programming style?". A "global stateful error stream" is a means not an end. You can't have a global stateful error stream in pure function style, no. But ask yourself what you're using the global stateful error stream to achieve; whatever it is, you can achieve that in functional programming, just not with the same mechanism.
Asking whether pure functional programming can implement a particular technique that depends on side effects is like asking how you use techniques from assembly in object-oriented programming. OO provides different tools for you to use to solve problems; limiting yourself to using those tools to emulate a different toolset is not going to be an effective way to work with them.
In response to comments: If what you want to achieve with your error stream is logging error messages to a terminal, then yes, at some level the code is going to have to do IO to do that.1
Printing to terminal is just like any other IO, there's nothing particularly special about it that makes it worthy of singling out as a case where state seems especially unavoidable. So if this turns your question into "How do pure functional programs handle IO?", then there are no doubt many duplicate questions on SO, not to mention many many blog posts and tutorials speaking precisely to that issue. It's not like it's a sudden surprise to implementors and users of pure programming languages, the question has been around for decades, and there have been some quite sophisticated thought put into the answers.
There are different approaches taken in different languages (IO monad in Haskell, unique modes in Mercury, lazy streams of requests and responses in historical versions of Haskell, and more). The basic idea is to come up with a model which can be manipulated by pure code, and hook up manipulations of the model to actual impure operations within the language implementation. This allows you to keep the benefits of purity (the proofs that apply to pure code but not to general impure code will still apply to code using the pure IO model).
The pure model has to be carefully designed so that you can't actually do anything with it that doesn't make sense in terms of actual IO. For example, Mercury does IO by having you write programs as if you're passing around the current state of the universe as an extra parameter. This pure model accurately represents the behaviour of operations that depend on and affect the universe outside the program, but only when there is exactly one state of the universe in the system at any one time, which is threaded through the entire program from start to finish. So some restrictions are put in
The type io is made abstract so that there's no way to construct a value of that type; the only way you can get one is to be passed one from your caller. An io value is passed into the main predicate by the language implementation to kick the whole thing off.
The mode of the io value passed in to main is declared such that it is unique. This means you can't do things that might cause it to be duplicated, such as putting it in a container or passing the same io value to multiple different invocations. The unique mode ensures that you can only ass the io value to a predicate that also uses the unique mode, and as soon as you pass it once the value is "dead" and can't be passed anywhere else.
1 Note that even in imperative programs, you gain a lot of flexibility if you have your error logging system return a stream of error messages and then only actually make the decision to print them close to the outermost layer of the program. If your log calls are directly writing the output immediately, here's just a few things I can think of off the top of my head that become much harder to do with such a system:
Speculatively execute a computation and see whether it failed by checking whether it emitted any errors
Combine multiple high level systems into a single system, adding tags to the logs to distinguish each system
Emit debug and info log messages only if there is also an error message (so the output is clean when there are no errors to debug, and rich in detail when there are)

Can someone clarify what this Joel On Software quote means: (functional programs have no side effects)

I was reading Joel On Software today and ran across this quote:
Without understanding functional
programming, you can't invent
MapReduce, the algorithm that makes
Google so massively scalable. The
terms Map and Reduce come from Lisp
and functional programming. MapReduce
is, in retrospect, obvious to anyone
who remembers from their
6.001-equivalent programming class that purely functional programs have
no side effects and are thus trivially
parallelizable.
What does he mean when he says functional programs have no side effects? And how does this make parallelizing trivial?
What does he mean when he says
functional programs have no side
effects?
Most people think of programming as creating variables, assigning them values, adding things to lists, etc. Variables "vary", hence the name.
Functional programming is a style of designing programs to eliminate variables -- everything is a constant or readonly.
When Joel says functional programs have no side-effects, there's a lot of hand-waving involved since its perfectly easy to write functional programs which do modify variables -- but largely, when people talk about functional programming, they mean programs which don't hold any modifiable state.
"But Juliet! How can write a useful program if it can't modify anything"
Good question!
You "modify" things by creating a new instance of your object with modified state. For example:
class Customer
{
public string Id { get; private set; }
public string Name { get; private set; }
public Customer(string id, string name)
{
this.Id = id;
this.Name = name;
}
public Customer SetName(string name)
{
// returns a new customer with the given name
return new Customer(this.Id, name);
}
}
So all the initialization take place in the constructor, and we can't modify the object ever again -- we create new instances with our modifications passed into the constructor.
You'll be surprised how far you can carry this style of programming.
"But Juliet!? How can this possibly be efficient with all this copying?"
The trick is realizing that you don't have to copy your entire object graph, only the parts which have changed. If parts of your object graph haven't changed, can reuse it in your new object (copy the pointer, don't new up a new instance of any objects in that part of the graph).
You'll be surprised how far you can carry this style of programming. In fact, its extremely easy to write immutable versions of many common data structures -- like immutable Avl Trees, red-black trees, many kinds of heaps, etc. See here for an implementation of an immutable treap.
In most cases, the immutable version of a data structure has the same computational complexity for insert/lookup/delete as its mutable counterparts. The only difference is that inserting returns a new version of your data structure without modifying the original one.
And how does this make parallelizing
trivial?
Think about it: if you have an immutable tree or any other data structure, then you can two threads inserting, removing, and lookup up items in the tree without needing to take a lock. Since the tree is immutable, its not possible for one thread to put the object in an invalid state under another thread's nose -- so we eliminate a whole class of multithreading errors related to race conditions. Since we don't have race-conditions, we don't have any need for locks, so we also eliminate a whole class of errors related to deadlocking.
Because immutable objects are intrinsically thread-safe, they're said to make concurrency "trivial". But that's only really half the story. There are times when we need changes in one thread to be visible to another - so how do we do that with immutable objects?
The trick is to re-think our concurrency model. Instead of having two threads sharing state with one another, we think of threads as being a kind of mailbox which can send and receive messages.
So if thread A has a pointer to thread B, it can pass a message -- the updated data structure -- to thread B, where thread B merges its copy with the data structure with the copy in the message it received. Its also possible for a thread to pass itself as a message, so that Thread A sends itself to Thread B, then thread B sends a message back to Thread A via the pointer it received.
Believe me, the strategy above makes concurrent programming 1000x easier than locks on mutable state. So the important part of Joel's comment: "Without understanding functional programming, you can't invent MapReduce, the algorithm that makes Google so massively scalable."
Traditional locking doesn't scale well because, in order to lock an object, you need to have a reference to its pointer -- the locked object needs to be in the same memory as the object doing the locking. You can't obtain a lock on an object across processes.
But think about the message passing model above: threads are passing messages two and from one another. Is there really a difference between passing a message to a thread in the same process vs passing a message to thread listening on some IP address? Not really. And its exactly because threads can send and receive messages across the process boundary that message passing scales as well as it does, because its not bound to a single machine, you can have your app running across as many machines as needed.
(For what its worth, you can implement message passing using mutable messages, its just that no one ever wants to because a thread can't do anything to the message without locking it -- which we already know is full of problems. So immutable is the default way to go when you're using message passing concurrency.)
Although its very high level and glosses over a lot of actual implementation detail, the principles above are exactly how Google's MapReduce can scale pretty much indefinitely.
See also: http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/fp.html
Let me wikipedia it for you
In brief, a pure function is one that calculate things based only on its given arguments and returns a result.
Writing something to the screen or changing a global variable (or a data member) is a side effect. Relying on data other than that given in an argument also makes your function non-pure although it is not a side effect.
Writing a "pure function" makes it easier to invoke many instances of it in parallel. That's mainly because being pure, you can be sure it doesn't effect the outside world and doesn't rely on outside information.
Functional programming aims to create functions that are dependent only on their inputs, and do not change state elsewhere in the system (ie, do not have side-effects to their execution).
This means, among other things, that they are idempotent: the same function can be run many times over the same input, and since it has no side-effects you don't care how many times it's run. This is good for parallelization, because it means that you don't have to create a lot of overhead to keep track of whether a particular node crashes.
Of course, in the real world, it's hard to keep side-effects out of your programs (ie, writing to a file). So real-world programs tend to be a combination of functional and non-functional portions.
Units of functional programs have only their input and their output, no internal state. This lack of internal state means that you can put the functional modules on any number of cores/nodes, without having to worry about having the previous calculation in the module affecting the next.
I believe what he means is that purely functional code makes explicit the flow of data through the program. Side-effects allow portions of the code to "communicate" in ways that are difficult to analyze.
Without side-effects in play, the runtime environment can determine how to best decompose the code into parallelism according to the structure of the functional code.
This would be a simplification of the reality, because there is also an issue of decomposing the code into "chunks" which amount to approximately equal "effort." This requires a human to write the functional code in such a way that it will decompose reasonably when parallelized.

Advantages of stateless programming?

I've recently been learning about functional programming (specifically Haskell, but I've gone through tutorials on Lisp and Erlang as well). While I found the concepts very enlightening, I still don't see the practical side of the "no side effects" concept. What are the practical advantages of it? I'm trying to think in the functional mindset, but there are some situations that just seem overly complex without the ability to save state in an easy way (I don't consider Haskell's monads 'easy').
Is it worth continuing to learn Haskell (or another purely functional language) in-depth? Is functional or stateless programming actually more productive than procedural? Is it likely that I will continue to use Haskell or another functional language later, or should I learn it only for the understanding?
I care less about performance than productivity. So I'm mainly asking if I will be more productive in a functional language than a procedural/object-oriented/whatever.
Read Functional Programming in a Nutshell.
There are lots of advantages to stateless programming, not least of which is dramatically multithreaded and concurrent code. To put it bluntly, mutable state is enemy of multithreaded code. If values are immutable by default, programmers don't need to worry about one thread mutating the value of shared state between two threads, so it eliminates a whole class of multithreading bugs related to race conditions. Since there are no race conditions, there's no reason to use locks either, so immutability eliminates another whole class of bugs related to deadlocks as well.
That's the big reason why functional programming matters, and probably the best one for jumping on the functional programming train. There are also lots of other benefits, including simplified debugging (i.e. functions are pure and do not mutate state in other parts of an application), more terse and expressive code, less boilerplate code compared to languages which are heavily dependent on design patterns, and the compiler can more aggressively optimize your code.
The more pieces of your program are stateless, the more ways there are to put pieces together without having anything break. The power of the stateless paradigm lies not in statelessness (or purity) per se, but the ability it gives you to write powerful, reusable functions and combine them.
You can find a good tutorial with lots of examples in John Hughes's paper Why Functional Programming Matters (PDF).
You will be gobs more productive, especially if you pick a functional language that also has algebraic data types and pattern matching (Caml, SML, Haskell).
Many of the other answers have focused on the performance (parallelism) side of functional programming, which I believe is very important. However, you did specifically ask about productivity, as in, can you program the same thing faster in a functional paradigm than in an imperative paradigm.
I actually find (from personal experience) that programming in F# matches the way I think better, and so it's easier. I think that's the biggest difference. I've programmed in both F# and C#, and there's a lot less "fighting the language" in F#, which I love. You don't have to think about the details in F#. Here's a few examples of what I've found I really enjoy.
For example, even though F# is statically typed (all types are resolved at compile time), the type inference figures out what types you have, so you don't have to say it. And if it can't figure it out, it automatically makes your function/class/whatever generic. So you never have to write any generic whatever, it's all automatic. I find that means I'm spending more time thinking about the problem and less how to implement it. In fact, whenever I come back to C#, I find I really miss this type inference, you never realise how distracting it is until you don't need to do it anymore.
Also in F#, instead of writing loops, you call functions. It's a subtle change, but significant, because you don't have to think about the loop construct anymore. For example, here's a piece of code which would go through and match something (I can't remember what, it's from a project Euler puzzle):
let matchingFactors =
factors
|> Seq.filter (fun x -> largestPalindrome % x = 0)
|> Seq.map (fun x -> (x, largestPalindrome / x))
I realise that doing a filter then a map (that's a conversion of each element) in C# would be quite simple, but you have to think at a lower level. Particularly, you'd have to write the loop itself, and have your own explicit if statement, and those kinds of things. Since learning F#, I've realised I've found it easier to code in the functional way, where if you want to filter, you write "filter", and if you want to map, you write "map", instead of implementing each of the details.
I also love the |> operator, which I think separates F# from ocaml, and possibly other functional languages. It's the pipe operator, it lets you "pipe" the output of one expression into the input of another expression. It makes the code follow how I think more. Like in the code snippet above, that's saying, "take the factors sequence, filter it, then map it." It's a very high level of thinking, which you don't get in an imperative programming language because you're so busy writing the loop and if statements. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I go into another language.
So just in general, even though I can program in both C# and F#, I find it easier to use F# because you can think at a higher level. I would argue that because the smaller details are removed from functional programming (in F# at least), that I am more productive.
Edit: I saw in one of the comments that you asked for an example of "state" in a functional programming language. F# can be written imperatively, so here's a direct example of how you can have mutable state in F#:
let mutable x = 5
for i in 1..10 do
x <- x + i
Consider all the difficult bugs you've spent a long time debugging.
Now, how many of those bugs were due to "unintended interactions" between two separate components of a program? (Nearly all threading bugs have this form: races involving writing shared data, deadlocks, ... Additionally, it is common to find libraries that have some unexpected effect on global state, or read/write the registry/environment, etc.) I would posit that at least 1 in 3 'hard bugs' fall into this category.
Now if you switch to stateless/immutable/pure programming, all those bugs go away. You are presented with some new challenges instead (e.g. when you do want different modules to interact with the environment), but in a language like Haskell, those interactions get explicitly reified into the type system, which means you can just look at the type of a function and reason about the type of interactions it can have with the rest of the program.
That's the big win from 'immutability' IMO. In an ideal world, we'd all design terrific APIs and even when things were mutable, effects would be local and well-documented and 'unexpected' interactions would be kept to a minimum. In the real world, there are lots of APIs that interact with global state in myriad ways, and these are the source of the most pernicious bugs. Aspiring to statelessness is aspiring to be rid of unintended/implicit/behind-the-scenes interactions among components.
One advantage of stateless functions is that they permit precalculation or caching of the function's return values. Even some C compilers allow you to explicitly mark functions as stateless to improve their optimisability. As many others have noted, stateless functions are much easier to parallelise.
But efficiency is not the only concern. A pure function is easier to test and debug since anything that affects it is explicitly stated. And when programming in a functional language, one gets in the habit of making as few functions "dirty" (with I/O, etc.) as possible. Separating out the stateful stuff this way is a good way to design programs, even in not-so-functional languages.
Functional languages can take a while to "get", and it's difficult to explain to someone who hasn't gone through that process. But most people who persist long enough finally realise that the fuss is worth it, even if they don't end up using functional languages much.
Without state, it is very easy to automatically parallelize your code (as CPUs are made with more and more cores this is very important).
Stateless web applications are essential when you start having higher traffic.
There could be plenty of user data that you don't want to store on the client side for security reasons for example. In this case you need to store it server-side. You could use the web applications default session but if you have more than one instance of the application you will need to make sure that each user is always directed to the same instance.
Load balancers often have the ability to have 'sticky sessions' where the load balancer some how knows which server to send the users request to. This is not ideal though, for example it means every time you restart your web application, all connected users will lose their session.
A better approach is to store the session behind the web servers in some sort of data store, these days there are loads of great nosql products available for this (redis, mongo, elasticsearch, memcached). This way the web servers are stateless but you still have state server-side and the availability of this state can be managed by choosing the right datastore setup. These data stores usually have great redundancy so it should almost always be possible to make changes to your web application and even the data store without impacting the users.
My understanding is that FP also has a huge impact on testing. Not having a mutable state will often force you to supply more data to a function than you would have to for a class. There's tradeoffs, but think about how easy it would be to test a function that is "incrementNumberByN" rather than a "Counter" class.
Object
describe("counter", () => {
it("should increment the count by one when 'increment' invoked without
argument", () => {
const counter = new Counter(0)
counter.increment()
expect(counter.count).toBe(1)
})
it("should increment the count by n when 'increment' invoked with
argument", () => {
const counter = new Counter(0)
counter.increment(2)
expect(counter.count).toBe(2)
})
})
functional
describe("incrementNumberBy(startingNumber, increment)", () => {
it("should increment by 1 if n not supplied"){
expect(incrementNumberBy(0)).toBe(1)
}
it("should increment by 1 if n = 1 supplied"){
expect(countBy(0, 1)).toBe(1)
}
})
Since the function has no state and the data going in is more explicit, there are fewer things to focus on when you are trying to figure out why a test might be failing. On the tests for the counter we had to do
const counter = new Counter(0)
counter.increment()
expect(counter.count).toBe(1)
Both of the first two lines contribute to the value of counter.count. In a simple example like this 1 vs 2 lines of potentially problematic code isn't a big deal, but when you deal with a more complex object you might be adding a ton of complexity to your testing as well.
In contrast, when you write a project in a functional language, it nudges you towards keeping fancy algorithms dependent on the data flowing in and out of a particular function, rather than being dependent on the state of your system.
Another way of looking at it would be illustrating the mindset for testing a system in each paradigm.
For Functional Programming: Make sure function A works for given inputs, you make sure function B works with given inputs, make sure C works with given inputs.
For OOP: Make sure Object A's method works given an input argument of X after doing Y and Z to the state of the object. Make sure Object B's method works given an input argument of X after doing W and Y to the state of the object.
The advantages of stateless programming coincide with those goto-free programming, only more so.
Though many descriptions of functional programming emphasize the lack of mutation, the lack of mutation also goes hand in hand with the lack of unconditional control transfers, such as loops. In functional programming languages, recursion, in particularly tail recursion, replaces looping. Recursion eliminates both the unconditional control construct and the mutation of variables in the same stroke. The recursive call binds argument values to parameters, rather than assigning values.
To understand why this is advantageous, rather than turning to functional programming literature, we can consult the 1968 paper by Dijkstra, "Go To Statement Considered Harmful":
"The unbridled use of the go to statement has an immediate consequence that it becomes terribly hard to find a meaningful set of coordinates in which to describe the process progress."
Dijkstra's observations, however still apply to structured programs which avoid go to, because statements like while, if and whatnot are just window dressing on go to! Without using go to, we can still find it impossible to find the coordinates in which to describe the process progress. Dijkstra neglected to observe that bridled go to still has all the same issues.
What this means is that at any given point in the execution of the program, it is not clear how we got there. When we run into a bug, we have to use backwards reasoning: how did we end up in this state? How did we branch into this point of the code? Often it is hard to follow: the trail goes back a few steps and then runs cold due to a vastness of possibilities.
Functional programming gives us the absolute coordinates. We can rely on analytical tools like mathematical induction to understand how the program arrived into a certain situation.
For example, to convince ourselves that a recursive function is correct, we can just verify its base cases, and then understand and check its inductive hypothesis.
If the logic is written as a loop with mutating variables, we need a more complicated set of tools: breaking down the logic into steps with pre- and post-conditions, which we rewrite in terms mathematics that refers to the prior and current values of variables and such. Yes, if the program uses only certain control structures, avoiding go to, then the analysis is somewhat easier. The tools are tailored to the structures: we have a recipe for how we analyze the correctness of an if, while, and other structures.
However, by contrast, in a functional program there is no prior value of any variable to reason about; that whole class of problem has gone away.
Haskel and Prolog are good examples of languages which may be implemented as stateless programming languages. But unfortunately they are not so far. Both Prolog and Haskel have imperative implementations currently. See some SMT's, seem closer to stateless coding.
This is why you are having hard time seeing any benefits from these programing languages. Due to imperative implementations we have no performance and stability benefits. So the lack of stateless languages infrastructure is the main reason you feel no any stateless programming language due to its absence.
These are some benefits of pure stateless:
Task description is the program (compact code)
Stability due to absense of state-dependant bugs (the most of bugs)
Cachable results (a set of inputs always cause same set of outputs)
Distributable computations
Rebaseable to quantum computations
Thin code for multiple overlapping clauses
Allows differentiable programming optimizations
Consistently applying code changes (adding logic breaks nothing written)
Optimized combinatorics (no need to bruteforce enumerations)
Stateless coding is about concentrating on relations between data which then used for computing by deducing it. Basically this is the next level of programming abstraction. It is much closer to native language then any imperative programming languages because it allow describing relations instead of state change sequences.

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