I'm implementing an Math equation in verilog, in a combinational scheme (assigns = ...) to the moment Synthesis tool (Quartus II) has been able to do add, sub and mul easly 32 bit unsigned absolute numbers by using the operators "+,- and *" respectively.
However, one of the final steps of the equation is to divide two 64 bits unsigned fixed point variables, the reason why is such of large 64 bit capacity is because I'm destinating 16 bits for integers and 48 bits for fractions (although, computer does everything in binary and doesn't care about fractions, I would be able to check the number to separate fraction from integer in the end).
Problem is that the operator "/" is useless since it auto-invokes a so-called "LPM_divide" library which output only gives me the integer, disregarding fractions, plus in a wrong position (the less significant bit).
For example:
b1000111010000001_000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 / b1000111010000001_000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
should be 1, it gives me
b0000000000000000_000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
So, how can I make this division for synthesizable verilog? What methods or algorithms should I follow, I'd like it to be faster, maybe a full combinational?
I'd like it to keep the 16 integers - 24 fractions user point of view. Thanks in advance.
First assume you multiply two fixed-point numbers.
Let's call them X and Y, first containing Xf fractional bits, and second Yf fractional bits accordingly.
If you multiply those numbers as integers, the LSB Xf+Yf bits of the integer result could be treated as fractional bits of resulting fixed-point number (and you still multiply them as integers).
Similarly, if you divide number of Sf fractional bits by number of Df fractional bits, the resulting integer could be treated as fixed-point number having Sf-Df fractional bits -- therefore your example with resulting integer 1.
Thus, if you need to get 48 fractional bits from your division of 16.48 number by another 16.48 number, append divident with another 48 zeroed fractional bits, then divide the resulting 64+48=112-bit number by another 64-bit number, treating both as integers (and using LPM_divide). The result's LSB 48 bits will then be what you need -- the resulting fixed-point number's 48 fractional bits.
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I'm facing a problem. when we want to subtract a number from another using 2's complement we can do that. I don't know how to subtract fractional number using 2's complement.
5 is in binary form 101 and 2 is 10. if we want to subtract 2 from 5 we need to find out 2's complement of 2
2's complement of 2-> 11111110
so if we now add with binary of 5 we can get the subtraction result. If I want to get the result of 5.5-2.125. what would be the procedure.
Fixed point numbers can be used and it is still common to find them in embedded code or hardware.
Their use is identical to integers, but you need to specify where your "point" is. For instance, assume that you want 3 bits after after the point and that your data is 8 bits, bits 7..3 are the integer part (left of "point") and bits 2..0 the fractional part. The interpretation of integer part is as usual the binary decomposition of this integer: bits 3 correspond to 20, bits 4 to 21, etc.
For the fractional part, the decomposition is in negative powers or two. bits 2 correspond to 2-1, bits 1 to 2-2 and bit 0 to 2-3.
So for you problem, 5.5=4+1+1/2=22+20+2-1 and its code is 00101(.)100. Similarly 2.125=2+1/8 and its code is 00010(.)001 (note (.) is just an help to understand the coding).
Indeed they are just integers, but you must take into account that all your numbers are multiplied by 2-3. This will have no impact for addition, but results of multiplication and division must be adjusted. Taking into account the position of point and managing over and underflows is the difficulty of arithmetic with fixed point, but it allows to do fractional computations even if your hardware does not provide floating point support (for instance with low end microcontrollers or FPGA systems).
Two complement is similar to integers and its computation is identical. If code of 2.125 is 00010(.)001, than -2.125==11101(.)111. Operations are as usual.
+5 00101(.)100
-2.125 11101(.)111
00011(.)011
and 00011(.)011=2+1+1/4+1/8=3,375
For the record, two complement first use was for fixed point fractional numbers and two complement name comes from that. If a fractional number if represented by, say 0(.)1100000 (0.75), its negative counter part will be 1(.)0100000 (-0.75 or 1.25 if interpreted as unsigned) and we always have x+(unsigned)-x=2. For this coding, the negative value of a fractional number x is the number y that must be added to x to get a 2, hence the name that y is 2's complement of x.
How do I represent integers numbers, for example, 23647 in two bytes, where one byte contains the last two digits (47) and the other contains the rest of the digits(236)?
There are several ways do to this.
One way is to try to use Binary Coded Decimal (BCD). This codes decimal digits, rather than the number as a whole into binary. The packed form puts two decimal digits into a byte. However, your example value 23647 has five decimal digits and will not fit into two bytes in BCD. This method will fit values up to 9999.
Another way is to put each of your two parts in binary and place each part into a byte. You can do integer division by 100 to get the upper part, so in Python you could use
upperbyte = 23647 // 100
Then the lower part can be gotten by the modulus operation:
lowerbyte = 23647 % 100
Python will directly convert the results into binary and store them that way. You can do all this in one step in Python and many other languages:
upperbyte, lowerbyte = divmod(23647, 100)
You are guaranteed that the lowerbyte value fits, but if the given value is too large the upperbyte value many not actually fit into a byte. All this assumes that the value is positive, since negative values would complicate things.
(This following answer was for a previous version of the question, which was to fit a floating-point number like 36.47 into two bytes, one byte for the integer part and another byte for the fractional part.)
One way to do that is to "shift" the number so you consider those two bytes to be a single integer.
Take your value (36.47), multiply it by 256 (the number of values that fit into one byte), round it to the nearest integer, convert that to binary. The bottom 8 bits of that value are the "decimal numbers" and the next 8 bits are the "integer value." If there are any other bits still remaining, your number was too large and there is an overflow condition.
This assumes you want to handle only non-negative values. Handling negatives complicates things somewhat. The final result is only an approximation to your starting value, but that is the best you can do.
Doing those calculations on 36.47 gives the binary integer
10010001111000
So the "decimal byte" is 01111000 and the "integer byte" is 100100 or 00100100 when filled out to 8 bits. This represents the float number 36.46875 exactly and your desired value 36.47 approximately.
I need to multiply X with a floating point number in floating point as i don't have floating point operations in my processor. I understand the method but don't know why that method exists?
Suppose we want to multiply 2*4.5 in decimal I do the below:
2 * 4.5 (100.1)
So i multiply 2*1001 = 2*9 = 18 and then right shift by 1.
so 18>>1 = 9
Is it that we represent 2 in fixed point and represent 4.5 in fixed point and as we multiply Q1.1 and Q1.1 format so we get Q2.2 format and we do right shifting causing Q1.1 format result.Is this right?
In decimal, your fixed-point example is actually:
2 * 4.5
2 * 45 (after multiplying by 10) = 90
90 / 10 = 9 (after dividing the 10 back out)
In binary, the same thing is being done, but just with powers of 2 instead of powers of 10 (as the factors / divisors). Fixed point operations occur in purely integral space after appropriate multiplications. And multiplying or dividing by a power of 2 is just a left shift or right shift respectively on the binary number (very fast for the CPU). In fixed-point the number of bits to the left (integer) and right (fractional) of the decimal point are fixed (predetermined), which means that some numbers cannot be represented on the scale without loss of precision.
Floating-point further extends the concept by allowing the number of bits assigned to the left and right of the decimal point to be flexible. In floating point, every number is represented as an integral "significand" (or mantissa) to a specified power (for example, a power of 2). This representation allows the same number of significant digits to be maintained over a greater dynamic range (for very small or very large magnitude numbers). For floating point, most of the bits will be assigned to the significant digits of the mantissa, and fewer of the bits assigned to the digits of the power. Floating-point calculations are more expensive (time-wise) than fixed-point, which is why fixed-point remains popular in microcontrollers and embedded systems.
If I didn't answer your question, please elaborate and I will edit this answer to include the information you desire.
I am working in R with very small numbers which reflect probabilities in an Maximum Likelihood Estimation algorithm. Some of these numbers are as small as 1e-155 ( or smaller). However, when there is something as simple as summation taking place, the precision level gets truncated to the least precise one and thus ruins the precisions of my calculations and produces meaningless results.
Example:
> sum(c(7.831908e-70,6.002923e-26,6.372573e-36,5.025015e-38,5.603268e-38,1.118121e-14, 4.512098e-07,4.400717e-05,2.300423e-26,1.317602e-58))
[1] 4.445838e-05
As is seen from the example, the base for this calculation is 1e-5 , which in a very rude manner rounds up sensitive calculation.
Is there a way around this? Why is R choosing such a strange automatic behavior? Perhaps it is not really doing this, I just see the result in the truncated form? In this case, is the actual number with correct precision stored in the variable?
There is no precision loss in your sum. But if you're worried about it, you should use a multiple-precision library:
library("Rmpfr")
x <- c(7.831908e-70,6.002923e-26,6.372573e-36,5.025015e-38,5.603268e-38,1.118121e-14, 4.512098e-07,4.400717e-05,2.300423e-26,1.317602e-58)
sum(mpfr(x, 1024))
# 1 'mpfr' number of precision 1024 bits
# [1] 4.445837981118120898327314579322617633703674840117902103769961398533293289165193843930280422747754618577451267010103975610356319174778512980120125435961577770470993217990999166176083700886405875414277348471907198346293122011042229843450802884152750493740313686430454254150390625000000000000000000000000000000000e-5
Your results are only truncated in the display.
Try:
x <- sum(c(7.831908e-70,6.002923e-26,6.372573e-36,5.025015e-38,5.603268e-38,1.118121e-14, 4.512098e-07,4.400717e-05,2.300423e-26,1.317602e-58))
print(x, digits=22)
[1] 4.445837981118121081878e-05
You can read more about the behaviour of print at ?print.default
You can also set an option - this will affext all calls to print
options(digits=22)
have you ever heard about Floating point numbers?
there is no loss of precision (significant figures) in multiplication or division as far as the result stay between
1.7976931348623157·10^308 to 4.9·10^−324 (see the link for detail)
so if you do 1.0e-30 * 1.0e-10 result will be 1.0e-40
but if you do 1.0e-30 + 1.0e-10 result will be 1.0e-10
Why?
-> finite set of number rapresentable with computer works. (64 bits max 2^64 different representation of numbers with 64 bits)
instead of using a direct conversion like for integer numbers (they represent from ~ -2^62 to +2^62, every INTEGER number -> about from -10^16 to +10*16)
or there exist a clever way like floating point? from 1.7976931348623157·10^308 to - 4.9·10^−324 and it can represent /approximate rational numbers?
So in floating point, to achieve a wider range, precision in sums is sacrified, There is loss of precision during sums or subtractions as the significant figures that could be represented by (the 52 bits of) the fraction part (of a floating point number of 64 bits) are less than log10(2^52) ~ 16.
if you look for a basic everyday example, summary(lm), when the p-value of parameter is near zero, summary() output <2.2e-16 (what a coincidence).
why limited to 64 bits? CPU have the execution units specifically to 64bits floating point arithmetic (64 bit IEEE 754 standard), if you use higher precision like 128 bits floating point, the performances will be lowered by 10 times or more, as CPU need to split the data and operation in multiple 64 bits data and operations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-precision_floating-point_format
The original question was edited (shortened) to focus on a problem of precision, not range.
Single, or double precision, every representation of real number is limited to (-range,+range). Within this range lie some integer numbers (1, 2, 3, 4..., and so on; the same goes with negative numbers).
Is there a guarantee that a IEEE 754 real number (float, double, etc) can "cover" all integers within its range? By "cover" I mean the real number will represent the integer number exactly, not as (for example) "5.000001".
Just as reminder: http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/ehchua/programming/java/DataRepresentation.html nice explanation of various number representation formats.
Update:
Because the question is for "can" I am also looking for the fact this cannot be done -- for it quoting a number is enough. For example "no it cannot be done, for example number 1748574 is not represented exactly by float number" (this number is taken out of thin air of course).
For curious reader
If you would like to play with IEEE 754 representation -- on-line calculator: http://www.ajdesigner.com/fl_ieee_754_word/ieee_32_bit_word.php
No, not all, but there exists a range within which you can represent all integers accurately.
Structure of 32bit floating point numbers
The 32bit floating point type uses
1 bit for the sign
8 bits for the exponent
23 bits for the fraction (leading 1 implied)
Representing numbers
Basically, you have a number in the form
(-)1.xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxx (binary)
which you then shift left/right with the (unbiased) exponent.
To have it represent an integer requiring n bits, you need to shift it by n-1 bits to the left. (All xes beyond the floating point are simply zero)
Representing integers with 24 bits
It is easy to see, that we can represent all integers requiring 24 bits (and less)
1xxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx.0 (unbiased exponent = 23)
since we can set the xes at will to either 1 or 0.
The highest number we can represent in this fashion is:
1111_1111_1111_1111_1111_1111.0
or 2^24 - 1 = 16777215
The next higher integer is 1_0000_0000_0000_0000_0000_0000. Thus, we need 25 bits.
Representing integers with 25 bits
If you try to represent a 25 bit integer (unbiased exponent = 24), the numbers have the following form:
1_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxx0.0
The twenty-three digits that are available to you have all been shifted past the floating point. The leading digit is always a 1. In total, we have 24 digits. But since we need 25, a zero is appended.
A maximum is found
We can represent ``1_0000_0000_0000_0000_0000_0000with the form1_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxxx_xxx0.0, by simply assigning 1to allxes. The next higher integer from that is: 1_0000_0000_0000_0000_0000_0001. It's easy to see that this number cannot be represented accurately, because the form does not allow us to set the last digit to 1: It is always 0`.
It follows, that the 1 followed by 24 zeroes is an upper bound for the integers we can accurately represent.
The lower bound simply has its sign bit flipped.
Range within which all integers can be represented (including boundaries)
224 as an upper bound
-224 as a lower bound
Structure of 64bit floating point numbers
1 bit for the sign
11 exponent bits
52 fraction bits
Range within which all integers can be represented (including boundaries)
253 as an upper bound
-253 as a lower bound
This easily follows by applying the same argumentation to the structure of 64bit floating point numbers.
Note: That is not to say these are all integers we can represent, but it gives you a range within which you can represent all integers. Beyond that range, we can only represent a power of two multiplied with an integer from said range.
Combinatorial argument
Simply convincing ourselves that it is impossible for 32bit floating point numbers to represent all integers a 32bit integer can represent, we need not even look at the structure of floating point numbers.
With 32 bits, there are 232 different things we can represent. No more, no less.
A 32bit integer uses all of these "things" to represent numbers (pairwise different).
A 32bit floating point number can represent at least one number with a fractional part.
Thus, it is impossible for the 32bit floating point number to be able to represent this fractional number in addition to all 232 integers.
macias, to add to the already excellent answer by phant0m (upvoted; I suggest you accept it), I'll use your own words.
"No it cannot be done, for example number 16777217 is not represented exactly by float number."
Also, "for example number 9223372036854775809 is not represented exactly by double number".
This is assuming your computer is using the IEEE floating point format, which is a pretty strong bet.
No.
For example, on my system, the type float can represent values up to approximately 3.40282e+38. As an integer, that would be approximately 340282000000000000000000000000000000000, or about 2128.
The size of float is 32 bits, so it can exactly represent at most 232 distinct numbers.
An integer object generally uses all of its bits to represent values (with 1 bit dedicated as a sign bit for signed types). A floating-point object uses some of its bits to represent an exponent (8 bits for IEEE 32-bit float); this increases its range at the cost of losing precision.
A concrete example (1267650600228229401496703205376.0 is 2100, and is exactly representable as a float):
#include <stdio.h>
#include <float.h>
#include <math.h>
int main(void) {
float x = 1267650600228229401496703205376.0;
float y = nextafterf(x, FLT_MAX);
printf("x = %.1f\n", x);
printf("y = %.1f\n", y);
return 0;
}
The output on my system is:
x = 1267650600228229401496703205376.0
y = 1267650751343956853325350043648.0
Another way to look at it:
A 32-bit object can represent at most 232 distinct values.
A 32-bit signed integer can represent all integer values in the range -2147483648 .. 2147483647 (-231 .. +231-1).
A 32-bit float can represent many values that a 32-bit signed integer can't, either because they're fractional (0.5) or because they're too big (2.0100). Since there are values that can be represented by a 32-bit float but not by a 32-bit int, there must be other values that can be represented by a 32-bit int but not by a 32-bit float. Those values are integers that have more significant digits than a float can handle, because the int has 31 value bits but the float has only about 24.
Apparently you are asking whether a Real data type can represent all of the integer values in its range (absolute values up to FLT_MAX or DBL_MAX, in C, or similar constants in other languages).
The largest numbers representable by floating point numbers stored in K bits typically are much larger than the 2^K number of integers that K bits can represent, so typically the answer is no. 32-bit C floats exceed 10^37, 32-bit C integers are less than 10^10. To find out the next representable number after some number, use nextafter() or nextafterf(). For example, the code
printf ("%20.4f %20.4f\n", nextafterf(1e5,1e9), nextafterf(1e6,1e9));
printf ("%20.4f %20.4f\n", nextafterf(1e7,1e9), nextafterf(1e8,1e9));
prints out
100000.0078 1000000.0625
10000001.0000 100000008.0000
You might be interested in whether an integer J that is between two nearby fractional floating values R and S can be represented exactly, supposing S-R < 1 and R < J < S. Yes, such a J can be represented exactly. Every float value is the ratio of some integer and some power of 2. (Or is the product of some integer and some power of 2.) Let the power of 2 be P, and suppose R = U/P, S = V/P. Now U/P < J < V/P so U < J*P < V. More of J*P's low-order bits are zero than are those of U, V (because V-U < P, due to S-R < 1), so J can be represented exactly.
I haven't filled in all the details to show that J*P-U < P and V-J*P < P, but under the assumption S-R < 1 that's straightforward. Here is an example of R,J,S,P,U,V value computations: Let R=99999.9921875 = 12799999/128, (ie P=128); let S=100000.0078125 = 12800001/128; we have U=0xc34fff and V=0xc35001 and there is a number between them that has more low-order zeroes than either; to wit, J = 0xc35000/128 = 12800000/128 = 100000.0. For the numbers in this example, note that U and V require 24 bits for their exact representations (6 ea. 4-bit hex digits). Note that 24 bits is the number of bits of precision in IEEE 754 single-precision floating point numbers. (See table in wikipedia article.)
That each floating point number is a product or ratio of some integer and some power of 2 (as mentioned two paragraphs above) also is discussed in that floating point article, in a paragraph that begins:
By their nature, all numbers expressed in floating-point format are rational numbers with a terminating expansion in the relevant base (for example, ... a terminating binary expansion in base-2). Irrational numbers, such as π or √2, or non-terminating rational numbers, must be approximated. The number of digits (or bits) of precision also limits the set of rational numbers that can be represented exactly.