I am trying connect multiple Arduino Mega Boards via their Serial pins to allow communication between the boards. I want to be able to connect an arbitrary amount of arduinos by daisy-chaning them and I want one board to be the master, taking control over the actions of the other boards. The master should be determined dynamically by the boards. I am aware that the daisy chaining method introduces delays to the communication due to the forwarding of packets, but so far I am planning on connection 4 boards at most. In the future this might increase to maybe 10 boards. My boards all have a separate power source, since they are connected to some other hardware which has its own power source.
My idea was to connect the boards in such a way, that the master would be determined by the wireing of the boards. I thought about having the "Serial" port as 'To-Master' serial port and the "Serial1" port as "To-Child" serial port. The boards send hello messages on the "To-Master" serial port and the master replies if it received such a message on the "To-Child" serial port. If no answer is received after some seconds, the board determines itself to be the master.
I wired the boards up by connecting the ground pins, and wiring RX1 of the master to TX0 of the child and TX1 of the master to RX0 of the child:
Basically my setup is working, since the boards do detect each other and exchange hello messages and replies. There is however a significant amount of packet loss or corruption which I would like to eliminate.
As a simple measure of packet verification, I begin each packet with a "magic number". The receiving board looks for this byte and only tries to read a packet after receiving this byte. Any other bytes received are simply discarded.
As it seems, it happens quite often that something is received on either serial port that does not start with the magic number and is therefore discarded. The timestamps of these events are however consistent with the timestamps of sending of the other board meaning that the packet was at least partially transmitted but somehow the magic byte got corrupted or discarded.
Is this a known problem with the arduinos serial ports?
Can it be related to my wiring?
Are there any measures I can take to ensure a save delivery of the packets?
Can it be a problem of the boards not reading the signal at the correct time (I used a baud rate of 9600)?
I also looked into I2C communication, but I did not find any resource or information if it is possible to dynamically choose the master for this type of communication. Also in the documentation it stated, that it is important that all devices share a common power source which is not possible in my scenario. However, the basic master-slave principle of this I2C conforms with my requirements, as I have a master that sends commands to all other boards. Could I2C be utilized in my case?
Thank you for your thoughts!
Here is a discussion about multi-master I2C topology of Arduinos, seems that it is supported (haven't tested it myself). - http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php/topic,13579.0.html
You can test SPI as well, here is a comparison between the two - http://components.about.com/od/Theory/a/Selecting-Between-I2c-And-Spi.htm.
Slave might be selected with generic GPIOs
I don't know any known implementation of multi-clients on top of Serial bus (usually it is intended for peer2peer communication only) - even though, your configuration seems reasonable, I would be considering other options.
BTW, from your comment about different power sources, I assume your boards are away from each-other. Have you considered very cheap ($2) RF modules, such as nRF24L01+ (http://maniacbug.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/getting-started-rf24/). THere is a library for networking those in multi-node network
Might be better off with I2C or SPI like people have suggested here.
However, to address your question directly, it is most likely wiring. I am assuming you are using cheap jumper wires to plug directly into the Arduino Headers. Noise on this connection is the most likely problem or garbled serial messages. Try implementing with twisted pair cables and connecting directly to the board.
SPI or I2C might have better error correction than your customer serial protocol. I would see the other answers for that.
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I have four Atmega328p in a single board and I want one of them send the same data (i.e. sensor readings) to the other three simultaneously. I'm not interested in a bidirectional communication. I read this thread (How can I broadcast data to multiple SPI slaves and how it works?) about SPI broadcasting, and someone mentioned not being possible because in SPI communication is full duplex and MISO and MOSI lines are active at the same time. However, I was wondering if I could just let the MISO lines unconnected and all SS pins pulled low, so I could broadcast a message to all slaves simultaneosly, taking into account that I do not need any type of response from the slaves to the master.
So, is this possible? Or how else could I work around this problem? I was also considering on using UART's Tx line and connect all the receivers in parallel to it, but I'm not sure that would work too.
Thanks for your attention.
I will have several devices with atmel microcontrollers which Im going to connect to PC using COM. Is there any way to connect several devices into one COM? (Let's assume COM can handle amounts of data I need to transmit and I can choose the way of sending data using COM)
Sure, chain the ATmegas together via serial, and use a single USB-serial device. Combine all the data you need to send, and send it out of the single serial port. In each ATmega, you can either relay all the data to the next one, or use a little more intelligent scheme and only forward data meant for other ATmegas.
The standard RS232 COM port does not allow to connect several devices to one port. Because parallel connection of several devices may change electrical signal characteristics such as voltage levels. You may build a chain of ATmegas as uint128_t suggested or change the physical interface type to RS485.
RX pins: you can connect more RX pins together.
TX pins: you can connect more TX pins together if you ensure that only one is active at any time. Others pins must be configured as input or high impedance. This can be done with a suitable protocol.
The parasitic capacitances of pins connected together sum up - this can eventually limit the transfer speed.
I am posting this question after not getting any sort of help across the web and reading many articles and tutorials. I ended up asking questions with hope of getting guided.
DESPERATE FOR HELP.
What i want:
1) I want to build a R/C tank.
2) Basically its not controlled by a remote control but i want control by a laptop.(i could write a c++ or c# program).
What i know:
1) I know how to develop a development board. (i want to develop my own, not use arduino)
2) I know c++ and assembly very well.
3) I know about AVR's ALU, Memories(all 3), Stack, Interrupts, IO Operations well.
4) I know theory about how SPI, RS232, UART works.
PROBLEMS: (I have many questions, but most important are)
1) B/c i have made my own board. How can i transfer my program(hex file) to my board(i seek practical and physical implementation, not theory please)(i know about a 6-pin ISP but not clear about practical implementation)
2) After it, how can i make wireless communication b/w my AVR and laptop.(hardware device?)(SPI, RS232, UART?)
MAIN CONFUSION:
1) I cannot help myself differentiating or relating SPI, RS232 and UART.
I know these are used for serial communication between devices but how?(which is used when and why and how)(appropriate hardware for transmitting device and receiving device)
THING TO KNOW:
1) I haven't started making my board and programming it because i think i should learn everything first and then do it in a one go. OR should i start practical work and things get easier automatically??
2) I learnt a tutorial series on Serial Communication from http://maxembedded.com/2013/09/serial-communication-introduction/ the starting 5 topics leaving the last one(I2C). Am i missing something there?
I hope everything is clear, and waiting for a good-men's words.
Note: I am already very misguided and lost, so i want experienced and expert's guidance. Many Many Many Many Thanks in Advance.
MY BOARD LOOKS LIKE:
http://www.robotplatform.com/howto/dev_board/schematic_l/38.jpg
1) To upload your code into AVR chip, you can use ISP interface. That requires you to connect at least 5 pins: SCK, MISO, MOSI, RESET, GND, and optionally VCC (it used to control or supply voltage, but not mandatory, if your board has it's own power supply). All you need is just to wire 6- or 10-pin ISP connector to that pins of your CPU.
To begin programming process you need to obtain some programmer device (USBasp, AVRISPmk2, STK500/600 etc.), Also, you can use Arduino board itself as ISP-programmer for external AVR chip, like this: http://www.instructables.com/id/Programming-an-ATTiny13A-using-Arduino-servo-int/
Each of programmer model requires it's compatible software (such as PonyProg), for example STK500 and AVRISP programmes could be used directly from Atmel Studio.
Also, you can connect ISP to parallel (LPT) port of the PC, and upload firmware using specialized software, such as uniprof
Another way to upload software - it is to make your own bootloader - a tiny program that will update firmware, using any available interface.
2) USART, SPI, I2C - it is different interfaces to communicate with peripherals. Note that RS232 - it is electrical interface built over USART. I.e. you need external IC which will convert USART logical level signals to RS232 electrical levels.
each of that interfaces have it's own profs and cons. And usually selection of which interface to use depends on which interface is supported by peripherals.
SPI - it is interface for high-speed communication. One master many slaves. It requires a lot of wires: MISO (data from master to slave), MOSI (data from slave to master), SCK (clock) - those three could be common for all slaves. Also it requires a SS (slave select) - one SS wire for each slave to determine which slave is in communication at the moment, also it sets the edges of the data packet.
USART - it is common interface, to communicate two chips. Each byte transmitted with foregoing start bit, optional parity and following stop bit. I.e. transfer has a quarter overhead, but byte can be transmitted in any moment.
Works in synchronous and asynchronous modes. Asynchronous mode requires only 2 wires (RX and TX, not counting GND that also required). This mode requires that receiver and transmitter to be sychronized, in most cases that required to crystal oscillator to be installed.
Synchronous mode works in the same format as asynchronous, but have additional XCK (clock) wire, that determines in which moments bits are possible to be transmitted. This allows to increase transmission speed and not requires time precision from receiver. Synchronous mode is rare used.
I2C - it's a bus with only two wires, allows many masters and many slaves. Utilizes pull-up resistors to achieve wired AND, have it's own algorithm to detect collisions, more complicated to be programmed, transmission speed is limited.
Often used by peripherals, such as accelerometers, RTCs etc.
AVR chips have no it's own support for wireless communication, therefore, to do that you need to use some external wireless chip, for example bluetooth, or WiFi, there are a lot of such modules (for example ESP8266). AVR chip communicate with them using USART, sending and receiving simple commands.
I am trying to use GPRS functionality of the GSM/GPRS modem for sending data to the remote server but i am unable to do so.I had posted a question on Arduino Forum but didn't get any reply.Here is the link for the question.
Well my Main concern is i) I am using a GPRS/GSM Modem and i am not sure about the Power requirements of the Modem.At present i am using a 9V and 1 amp supply but the network LED on the modem is dignifying that Modem is not getting the network. So can this be because of the insufficient supply to the modem?
I very much doubt it's a power thing. Although I have limited experience with Arduino boards.
You can verify that the general GSM stuff is working by executing AT+CREG commands to check if it is connected to the mobile operator.
If you need more detailed help then I think it makes sense for you to post what AT commands are being sent to the modem. And what the modem on the firmware/software side is saying.
Below some information about dealing with GPRS and AT Commands (aka GSM stuff).
With GSM modems there are commonly three ways of getting GPRS and executing AT commands (GSM) simultaneously.
1) Inline multiplexing
As far as I am aware you can switch contexts within the AT command console. This is a little challenging when it comes to writing code. I would advise against this.
2) Mulitplexing over a single serial interface
This is done via drivers that support the GSM 27.010 specification. Some manufacturers provide MUX drivers for this purpose.
The standard command is AT+CMUX. I strongly suggest taking a look at the modem reference manual to find out exactly how to execute this command. You can get a rather information also via AT commands. By executing AT+CMUX=? to see what parameters are expected.
Effectively then you would have two serial connections open to the same serial port. One for GPRS and one for AT Commands.
Negative impact is that the performance (speed of command execution) is significantly reduced depending on how the hardware copes with it.
3) Multiplexing over multiple serial interfaces
The GSM modems that I know of provide multiple serial interfaces (UART). Therefore one can be used for executing standard AT commands. And another can be used for GPRS communications.
I'm not entirely sure if this is possible with the SIM900A. There you would have to look at the hardware information.
I currently have an embedded device connected to a PC through a serial port. I am having trouble with receiving data on the PC. When I use my PCI serial port card I am able to receive data right away (no delays). When I use my USB-To-Serial plug or the motherboards built in serial port I have to delay reading data (40ms for 32byte packets).
The only difference I can find between the hardware is the UART. The PCI card uses a 16650 and the plug/motherboard uses a standard 16550A. The PCI card is set to interrupt at 28 bytes and the plug is set to interrupt at 14 bytes.
I am connected at 56700 Baud (if this helps).
The delay becomes the majority of the duty cycle and really increases transfer time. (10min transfer vs 1 hour transfer).
Does anyone have an explanation for why I have to use a delay with the plug/motherboard? Can anyone suggest a possible solution to minimizing or removing this delay?
Linux has an ASYNC_LOW_LATENCY flag for the serial driver that may help. Whatever driver you're using may have something similar.
However, latency shouldn't make a difference on a bulk transfer. It should add 40 ms at the very start of the transfer and that's it, which is why drivers don't worry about it in the first place. I would recommend refactoring your transfer protocol to use a sliding window protocol, with a window size of around 100 packets, if you are doing 32-byte packets at that baud rate and latency. In other words, you only want to stop transmitting if you haven't received an ACK for the packet you sent 100 packets ago.
You'll probably find that different USB-Serial converters produce different results. We've found that the FTDI ones work well for talking with embedded devices. Some converters seem to buffer the data for a long time and/or fragment it.
I've never seen a problem with a motherboard connection - not sure what is going on there! Can you change the interrupt point for the motherboard serial port?
I have a serial to usb converter. When I hook it up to my breakout box and create a loopback I am able to send / receive at close to 1Mbps without problems. The serial port sends binary data that may be translated into ascii data.
Using .Net I set my software to fire an event on every byte (ReceivedBytesThreshold=1), though that doesn't mean it will.