What is the use of this CSS hack in Safari?
/* CSS Hack Safari */
#dummy {;# }
I found it in this page:
http://jscroller2.markusbordihn.de/example/endless/
After doing some Googling, I was able to find something pertaining to Safari and browser hacks..
Apparently, older versions of Safari would ignore CSS declarations that were preceded by a hashtags. For instance:
h1 {
font-size:24px;
font-size:30px;#
}
If Safari were to come across something similar to this, it would make h1 24px, and completely ignore the 30px.. However, say IE, or Chrome were to see this, they would read the declaration and make the fontsize 30px because of the fact that they don't take the hashtag into consideration. To my knowledge this little 'hack' no longer works on newer versions of Safari.. Here is my reference.
Now back to the question:
#dummy {;#}
This doesn't particularly do anything, so I don't really see why this was in their code.
However, I am assuming that something was originally placed in there, and later removed due to the fact that this hack no longer works..
This is a rather interesting source on browser hacks..
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My skin has the following CSS:
dl.definition dd:last-child {
margin-bottom: 0;
}
/* IE class */
dl.definition dd.last-child {
margin-bottom: 0;
}
Is it possible to combine these into one even though the second is just for IE ?
Thanks everyone for the answers but I am not sure anyone really said if I could just do this:
dl.definition dd:last-child,
dl.definition dd.last-child {
margin-bottom: 0;
}
Your hoped-for solution won't work:
dl.definition dd:last-child,
dl.definition dd.last-child {
margin-bottom: 0;
}
The reason this won't work is because as far as old versions of IE are concerned, dd:last-child is an invalid selector, and thus it will throw away the whole block. It doesn't matter that it also contains a valid selector; the whole thing is thrown away because of the invalid one.
A few options on how to improve things, and save yourself the hassle of duplicated code all over the place...
Upgrde IE. There are javascript libraries available such as Selectivizr or ie7.js/ie8.js/ie9.js which patch IE to make it support more CSS selectors. :last-child is included in pretty much all these libraries.
Downgrade your CSS. You're already writing the .last-child class into your code to support old IE versions, so just use that for everything and forget about using the :last-child selector. Then you only need one selector for all browsers.
Graceful degradation. Drop the IE-specific code, and just allow Old IE users to see a slightly broken page. As long as it doesn't affect usability, it may not be a big deal. You may not have that many old IE users (and the numbers will continue to fall), and those people who are still using old IE are used to seeing sites that are slightly broken (or worse) these days.
Re-arrange your layout to use :first-child instead of :last-child. :first-child has much better support (it goes back to IE7, though there are bugs with it in old IEs).
Use a CSS compiler like SASS or Less, so you can write your CSS in a more logical and structured form, before converting it to real CSS code when you deploy it to the site.
Hopefully one of those solutions will work for you. My suggestion would be the Selectivizr library, but any of the above should provide a workable solution for you.
In the HTML add
<!--[if IE]>
<style>
dl.definition dd.last-child {
margin-bottom: 0;
}
</style>
<![endif]-->
Not an exact answer to your question but a workaround for IE6 & IE7 can be found here which tells that you can use properties in single css file.
This gives again a more sophisticated solution.
And again you can use multiple properties in single css file and browsers will ignore it if it does not understand it. Cheers to growing smartness of browsers. :-)
Conditional comments for IE. You can specify verion of IE, for that you want to select CSS
I am having trouble with cursors not being pulled through in WebKit browsers. Surprsingly IE and Opera work as I expect them to. Here's the CSS
.olControlDrawFeatureActive {
cursor: url(<DOMAIN>/common/images/cursors/draw.png), crosshair, default;
}
It quite simply changes the cursor to either the Draw png or, if it doesn't accept custom cursors or PNGs (like IE or Opera) then it should default to the crosshair. Works fine in IE and Opera, it goes to the crosshair as I want it to, FireFox, Safari and Chrome on the other hand refuse to return any css for this at all. Looking at the returned CSS in Firebug I just get.
.olControlDrawFeatureActive {
}
Empty, and utterly useless. I have tried replacing the URL with it's full path and relative path and (and this is the most confusing bit for me) I have tried removing the custom cursor entirely so it should default to the crosshair, but still it just returns an empty CSS rule! It's been bugging me for a while now because it originally worked fine in Webkit but not in IE, got it working in IE and now WebKit decides to not play ball! Am I doing something really obvious wrong? Any help or pointers would be hugely appreciated as it is driving me bananas
The problem seemed to lay in the fact that I had specified 3 levels of cursors i.e. The Custom one, the Crosshair and the Default cursor. There was no need to have the default one in there anyway as Crosshair is accepted by all browsers. Removing this seemed to make it work.
This seems strange though, does CSS only allow for two levels of cursors? If so then why did Opera and IE accept it, do they just ignore the first one?
Fixed CSS
.olControlDrawFeatureActive
{
cursor:url(<DOMAIN>/common/images/cursors/draw.png),crosshair;
}
today I hit F12 in FF to load FireBug to see what my site was thinking. Then saw this:
The facts showing from above:
My site likes using them "rounded", alot of them...;
My site is loaded with errors, at least as FireBug sees it.
Is FireFox right and should I assess this and if so how do I change it since I think this is crucial for IE and is the default CSS3 spec, right? Or is there something else happening thats causing all this things to show up in FireBug? I would be happy to hear what I should do to make all this disappear again, really.
Open the drop down in your console tab and un-tick stuff like "show CSS errors".
Also, it's not a bad thing. If Firefox comes across a property it doesn't know (such as border-radius at the time this question was asked) it will just ignore it and continue with the next property. This is why for instance -webkit-border-radius: 2px; -moz-border-radius: 2px; border-radius: 2px; works. Firefox will ignore the -webkit- prefixed one, it would recognize the -moz- prefixed one and ignore the non-prefixed one because the non-prefixed one had not yet been implemented in the version of Firefox you used. (It is now no longer needed to prefix border-radius unless you're supporting an ancient browser)
You might want to pop the IE-specific properties (filter and zoom) into an IE-specific stylesheet, and include that with conditional comments.
As for the rest, you’ve just got an older version of Firefox that doesn’t recognise the newer properties. That’s fine, it won’t do any harm. (Somewhat odd that moz-opacity isn’t recognised, as I thought that had been around for ages, but it’s fine.)
Check this
I think you need to use -moz-border-radius:... declarations for FireFox :)
Is there a list of 'good' clean CSS hacks, which are certain to be future-proof?
For example, zoom:1 is safe, as long as it's only served to IE, and you remember it's there. The very common hack of using child selectors is not safe because IE7 supports them. Using height:1% just feels dirty (but that might just be me).
I know of ie7-js, so IE6 bugs don't worry me much. Also, I'm not looking for a religious debate, just sources.
Thanks for the replies - I've selected the one with best sources as answer.
Thanks also for the suggestions to use separate CSS files, or not to worry about it. I entirely agree with you, and for me, those are givens. But when faced with a layout problem, I want a safe fix that will minimise the risk that I'll have to revisit the problem in $IE or $FF + 1. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.
For the majority of IE bugs I think you're best off using conditional comments around a link to a browser specific stylesheet. It tends to keep things pretty neat and it's quite self documenting.
This is a good place for well-documented and well-tested browser bugs and the hacks allow you to work around them:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/
I've used Peter-Paul Koch's "QuirksMode" website a lot for issues involving CSS and cross-browser compatibility. He tends to frown on browser-specific methods, but he does have a page on CSS Hacks.
Nicole Sullivan (AKA Stubbornella) who works for the Yahoo Performance team suggested in The 7 Habits for Exceptional Perf that you should use the CSS underscore hack to patch up IE6 bugs because:
Hacks should be few and far between.
If you will only have 5-6 hacks (which is already plenty) then it would not make sense placing those in an external file and thereby separating it from its context.
An extra file would lead to performance penalties (Yahoo Best Practices, Rule 1).
It should however be noted that this is not valid CSS.
There's no such thing as a good clean/acceptable [css] hack - always code to Standards, and then use browser+version specific stylesheets for any hacks required to make things work.
For example:
default.css
default.ie6-fix.css
default.ie7-fix.css
default.ff2-fix.css
etc
Then, when new version of a browser are released, copy the previous version's hacks and remove the bits that no longer apply (and add new bits, if necessary).
(Load individual stylesheets using Conditional Comments for IE, and user-agent sniffing for other browsers.)
Underscore-hack for IE6-stuff works quite well, eg.
min-height:50px;
_height:50px;
It doesn't require moving things out of context into new css-files, only IE6 gets them and they're easy to filter out if you should decide to stop supporting IE6. They're also very minimal and won't clutter your CSS that much.
Modifying your CSS for browser-specific support is never wrong - as long as you can easily contain it. As you'll notice, standards-compliant browsers, * cough * everything except MSIE, will never break with future releases. New W3C standards also don't break previous standards, they usually deprecate or extend previous standards at the most.
People have mentioned conditional comments which are great for handling IE. But you'll need a bit more for handling all browsers (mobile, gecko, webkit, opera, etc.). Usually you'll parse the incoming request headers to fetch the browser type and version from the User-Agent param. Based on that you can begin loading your CSS files.
I belive the way most of us do it is by:
First developing for one standards-compliant browser (let's take FF for example)
Once the CSS is complete you approach providig support for IE (this can be easily done with the conditional comments, as perviously mentioned)
First create a CSS file that will fine tune everything for IE6 and any other version below
Then create a CSS file that will handle everything for IE7
Lastly, create a CSS file that will handle everything for IE versions of IE8 and greater
Once IE9 comes out, make sure you set IE8+ handling to IE8 specific, and create a IE9+ CSS file with required fixes
Finally, create an additional CSS file for webkit fixes
If required, you can also create additional files to specifically target Chrome or Safari if required
Concerning browser specific CSS implementations, I usually group all of those in my main css file (you can easily do a search for those and replace them in one document if needed). So if something has to be transparent, I'd set both opacity and filters (MSIE) in the same block. Browsers just ignore implementations they don't support, so your safe. Specific implementations I'd tend to avoid are custom implementations (hey, I like the -moz box above the W3C one, but I just don't want to rely on it).
As it goes with CSS inheritance and overriding, you don't have to redefine all the CSS declarations and definitions in every CSS file. Each consecutively loaded CSS file should only contain the selector and specific definitions required for the fix, and nothing else.
What you end up with in the end is your (huge) main css file and others, containing a few lines each, for specific browser fixes - which sums up to something that's not that very hard to maintain and keep track of. It's a personal preference what browser your base css file will be based off, but usually you'll be targeting a browser that will create the least amount of issues for other browsers (so yes, developing for IE6 would be a very poor decision at that point).
As always, following good practices and being pragmatic and meticulous with selectors and specifics about each class and using frameworks will lead you down the path of goodness with seldom fixes required. Structuring your CSS files is a huge plus unless you want to end up with an unordered meaningless mess.
Centricle has a good list of CSS hacks and their compatibilities.
I don't think you'll find a list of hacks that will be future proof, as know one can tell what stupid thing will be implemented in IE next.
This article is a good summary of CSS hacks: http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks
Here's a good list of filters that are very stable:
/* Opera */
.dude:read-only { color: green; }
/* IE6/IE7 */
#media,
{
.dude { color: silver;}
}
/* IE8 \0 */
#media all\0
{
.dude { color: brown; }
}
/* IE9 monochrome and \9 */
#media all and (monochrome: 0)
{
.dude { color: pink\9; }
}
/* Webkit */
* > /**/ .dude, x:-webkit-any-link { color:red; }
/*
* > /**/
/* hides from IE7; remove if unneeded */
/* Firefox */
#-moz-document url-prefix()
{
.dude { color: green; }
}
When defining rules, I find it good to allow natural degradation take place, for instance, in CSS3 there is support for RGBA Colour models, but there isn't in CSS2, so I find myself doing:
background-color: #FF0000;
background-color: rgba( 255,0,0, 50% );
So that when the later rule fails on older browsers which don't support it, it will degrade to the previously defined style.
I prefer the global conditional comment technique described by Hiroki Chalfant;
I find it helpful to keep my IE-targeted rules side-by-side with my standards-targeted rules in a single valid stylesheet.
I'm wondering if there's any way to write CSS specifically for Safari using only CSS. I know there has to be something out there, but I haven't found it yet.
I think the question is valid. I agree with the other responses, but it doesn't mean it's a terrible question. I've only ever had to use a Safari CSS hack once as a temporary solution and later got rid of it. I agree that you shouldn't have to target just Safari, but no harm in knowing how to do it.
FYI, this hack only targets Safari 3, and also targets Opera 9.
#media screen and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio:0) {
/* Safari 3.0 and Opera 9 rules here */
}
There are some hacks you can use in the CSS to target only Safari, such as putting a hash/pound (#) after the semi-colon, which causes Safari to ignore it. For example
.blah { color: #fff; }
.blah { color: #000;# }
In Safari the colour will be white, in everything else it will be black.
However, you shouldn't use hacks, as it could cause problems with browsers in the future, and it may have undesired effects in older browsers. The safest way is to either use a server side language (such as PHP) which detects the browser and then serves up a different CSS file depending upon the browser the user is using, or you can use JavaScript to do the same, and switch to a different CSS file.
The server-side language is the better option here, as not everyone has JavaScript enabled in their browser, which means they wouldn't see the correct style. Also JavaScript adds an overhead to the amount of information which needs to load before the page is properly displayed.
Safari uses WebKit, which is very good with rendering CSS. I've never come across anything which doesn't work in Safari, but does in other modern browsers (not counting IE, which has it's own issues all together). I would suggest making sure your CSS is standards compliant, as the issue may lie in the CSS, and not in Safari.
So wait, you want to write CSS for Safari using only CSS? I think you answered your own question. Webkit has really good CSS support. If you are looking for webkit only styles, try here.
You'd have to use JavaScript or your server to do user-agent sniffing in order to send CSS specifically to Safari/WebKit.
#media screen and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio:0) {}
This seems to target webkit(including Chrome)... or is this truly Safari-only?
This really depends on what you are trying to do. Are you trying to do something special just in safari using some of the CSS3 features included or are you trying to make a site cross browser compliant?
If you are trying to make a site cross browser compliant I'd recommend writing the site to look good in safari/firefox/opera using correct CSS and then making changes for IE using conditional CSS includes in IE. This should (hopefully) give you compatibility for the future of browsers, which are getting better at following the CSS rules, and provide cross browser compatibility. This is an example.
By using conditional stylesheets you can avoid hacks all together and target browsers.
If you are looking to do something special in safari check out this.