320 and up reverts to 320 in ie7+8 standards mode? - css

I'm new to the 320 and up template and I'm currently in the process of testing a shell of a site on ie9 but using dev tools to test ie8 & 7 in standards mode.
The site also uses biolerplate html5 and wordpress.
I've looked at and tested what I feel is everything I can see and it all looks like it should work in all browsers... it doesn’t
I've uploaded a test site here:
http://dev.clear-living.co.uk
If anyone can spot the error that my eyes (blearily) fail to see please point it out for me. I've been looking at this for two days now!
UPDATE:
when I say it doesn't work I mean it stays on the 320 width format and doesn't scale up in the browser. Best way of testing this is just to resize the browser window. In the link above this works fine in all browsers except ie7 & 8 in standards mode.

By the looks of it, 320 And Up is designed to use responsive media queries in its CSS, which don't work in IE8 and below. There's a script provided with 320 -- respond.min.js -- to enable media queries using Javascript in these recalcitrant browsers, but you don't appear to be including it, which I'm guessing is what's causing your problem.
Check the bottom of the example pages provided with 320 And Up; you'll see the script included there, selectively for the more useless versions of IE. DOMAssistantCompressed and selectivizr are also included; I'm guessing you'll want all of those make IE8 and below work with 320 And Up..

Thanks to #Matt for your comments. Even when I did include respond.js it still wasn't working!
I've spent a long, long time trying to get this to work....
...answer.
I got the latest respond.js from github and it worked like a dream!
Wish I'd have thought about that earlier!

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iPad does not see external stylesheet

Days of Internet research and worsening frustration lead me here. I cannot figure this out. Perhaps a wiser person can help.
Using web developer tools, every site page displays fine in every tested browser. However, when I check on an actual iPad and iPhone, no page displays correctly. What's wrong is that none of the CSS in style.css is executing on the iPad / iPhone.
I am using bootstrap, which it sees, but it does not see my style sheet (css/style.css). I have tested too many things to list, including absolute versus relative URLs, and rearranging the link tags in the header.
I tested inline and head-embedded styles and both work. But this is unacceptable to me.
I removed all code from the footer, leaving one div with a class from the external stylesheet, and that did not work. The iPad is blind to it.
I cannot debug the iPad from the iPad (I know Safari has instructions for this), but I have other bootstrap sites I coded that work fine and comparing them I cannot see what I am doing differently now.
I re-booted my iPad many times in case it was a cache issue.
I left out code in this question because I do not know what code to show. I can provide code or URLs or anything else if that helps. The pages are published.
I appreciate any assistance. Thank you.

Only some glyphicons showing in IE

Me and my colleague have been trying to solve this problem for awhile and we can not get it to work. Hopefully someone out there is smarter than us and have some good input on this.
When using IE8, IE9 or IE10 to visit websites http://glyphicons.com/ or http://getbootstrap.com/components/ not all the glyphicons are showing (some are showing but others just show as boxes []).
In Chrome all are showing.
EDIT: I should add that this is on computers on our company network. Could there be a setting here that prevents us for show all glyphicons?
EDIT2: I now have suspicions that our Group Policy disables XMLHTTP for all users on network. Therefore, is it possible to encode the halfling font and use it directly in the CSS?
I have found the solution. It was quite simple. Unfortunately I won't be able to use Glyphicons.
IE have a setting to restrict font download. This is enabled by group policy and cannot be changed on standard workstations. I have been able to recreate the same behavior on my own laptop by restricting font download.
Se this article for further explanation:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533034(v=vs.85).aspx
To answer your comment olahell, if you count icons you will get 470 icons although it's write 420 with IE8. It's maybe an old forgotten image only shown on old IE version.
It looks like the Glyphicons site does some browser sniffing to come up with the 470 / 420 icon figure. The most likely reason for that is that 50 icons dont work in IE; and that is probably due to IE having no SVG support.

keeping sites looking the same in IE, Chrome and Firefox

Can anyone tell me the best way to ensure asp.net sites look the same when view in IE, Chrome or Firefox?
I've just finished one which in testing seems fine in IE but not the other 2.
I have not used CSS on this site as its not that big, I just formatted the masterpage as I wanted it.
Could that be the problem?
I usually code for Firefox first. That makes things match almost 100% in Chrome, Safari and IE9 usually. Then I go through and test in IE 8 and 7. Minor adjustments are typically made within the same CSS file. For example, IE7 usually needs to have dimensions of a container explicitly set, where most modern day browsers don't require it and render things properly.
In those rare cases that you do need to style something specifically for one or more versions of IE, use conditional comments. Here are some good links on conditional comments and how to target specific browsers and versions:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html
Unfortunately you will need to use CSS to get this to look similar in all browsers. I say similar as it is unlikely you will ever get it looking exactly the same.
Basically you will need to use the conditional CSS tags http://www.javascriptkit.com/dhtmltutors/csshacks.shtml
I would recommend spliting out the style to the a CSS and getting that working in Chrome and Firefox. Then use the tutorial linked and add in IE hacks to make it look better.
There isn't an easy way of making a site look the same in all the browsers. As caveman_dick said, maybe it's even impossible. You have to use CSS and sometimes javascript...
But to help you, you can use some programs that simulate different browsers engines, so that you could see how your site behaves. Just google browser simulator. :)

Internet Explorer 6 CSS loading issues

I saw some of the sections related to IE issues in our stackoverflow website but still my question awaits.
In my local server I am running an application which is loading JS and CSS files perfectly and working fine in IE7+ and Firefox. The problem is with IE6.
If running in IE6, able to load small amount of data but not if large data.
Able to find that the complete problem causes with CSS but don't know where I am going wrong in CSS.
I tested my application with w3c validator, it shows some minor errors which can be ignored and everything looks good.
Even using IE Fixes CSS.
Could any one please provide me some ideas, like is there any css debug for IE6.
Thanks in advance...
The Internet explorer developer toolbar may go somewhere to help you. It's extremely useful, although not as good as other browser alternatives. It can be installed on IE6. To access it once installed it's in the "convenient" place of view-->toolbars
Are you are generating a <style> element for every data row? This is common (although I don't like it) when you don't have access to the <head> element or cannot concatenate rules into a single <style> element.
If so, do you have more than 31 <style> elements? IE has a limit on the number of stylesheets, so you might be seeing that problem.
There are a lot of blog posts (and SO question) on this. Here are some of the better ones I could find:
Does IE 8 have a limit on number of stylesheets per page?, Stylesheets Not Loading? 31 Reasons to Hate Internet Explorer and Internet Explorer CSS limits.
I suggest FirebugLite (for IE6), and installing Fiddler.

Which browser we should use to see HTML CSS rendering while making a site and why?

Firefox's Latest version
IE7
IE6
IE 8
Which browser we should use to see HTML css rendering for always and why?
Edit:
My question is not on which browsers should i test site before go live. i will try to test on all possible.
My question is which browser should i choose during layout development process and why?
because while development it's not possible to see every step in all browser it will waste time. after making a layout we can test in all but during development one browser would be better.
Uhh... every one of them?
I personally develop with Firefox 3.6 for convenience and the availability of Firebug, header sniffers and other tools. I try to test in all the browsers you mention before anything goes out for anybody to see (a client for example). But I don't think there is a real "best" choice here because in the end, you will need to test for every browser you need to support anyway.
Use the most up-to-date css compliant browser with a good debugging tool e.g. Firefox 3.6 and the Firebug plug-in.
Then check in the other browsers you want to support for your users and backwards correct any errors.
Do not attempt to make the site look EXACTLY the same in all browsers, you will be wasting your time.
As long as the effect is similar in older/other browsers (for example you could use border-radius for Firefox/WebKit browsers and this will degrade nicely for browsers that don't support border-radius) and the site is usable and fulfills it's purpose, then your ok
DONT WASTE TONS OF TIME ON IE6. Use a conditional commented stylesheet and just get it usable...
In the head of the document
<!--[if IE 6]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="IE6.css"/>
<![endif]-->
It all depends on your target user group.
If you're working for customer that uses IE6, you will have to test for it. Sad, I know.
If you're designing a site for general public, then test for current versions of major browsers. Firefox, IE, Opera, Safari and Chrome(?).
Also: develop according to standards then fix whatever does not work in one browser or another. Not that you develop for IE, then trying to fix everything that suddenly falls apart on all other browsers.
During developing NOT testing I use this combo :
firefox
firebug extension
webdeveloper extension
live http headers extension
Give it a try, you won't regret it, you can make changes to your css IN BROWSER and then change your code (No more refresh needed for that one annoying one pixel offset), check to see where is the fault interface or code logic and plenty more.(Page Speed & YSlow to analize your page speed etc.)
I whole-heartedly agree with Pekka.
I develop everything within Firefox and use the excellent addons available during development (Firebug / Web Developer Toolbar / etc).
A suggestion would be to test often in other browsers as well....I would recommend every time you go to take a little break check it out in the other browsers to see if there are any issues, and then make a note to fix them and allow your website to be rendered properly in all browsers.
You really don't want to exclude any user based on his/her browser preference, so make sure
it works across the board!
edit
Also a good point from one of the other users...IE6 is in the process of being phased out, however if you are looking to have any users in a corporate environment you don't want to exclude testing this either!
You need to test your css in all the major browsers, that includes IE (6, 7 and 8), Firefox, Chrome and even Safari and Opera.
You can probably get away with just using the latest versions of Firefox, Chrome etc. as they auto-update and so users are less likely to be using older version (though it's not unknown).
IE is a problem because so many users - particularly corporate users - are running older versions.
Choose one, it doesn't really matter which as long as it has good development tool support, to develop in and get the site looking good in that. Then test in the others. Which order you do this and how much effort you want to expend will depend totally on your target audience. From my experience Firefox with Firebug and even (dare I say it) IE8 with it's built in developer tools are good choices. The advantage here is that you'll cover the majority of users with these. However as the browser market is getting more fragmented you will need to test in others.
This is an interesting question, I'm going to assume that you have a process that means that first you develop your page and then you do cross browser testing to make sure it works everywhere - so the question then becomes which one is going to get you to the best starting point for getting to working "everywhere" (definition of which will depend somewhat on your target audience).
This used to be easy - according to my (then) staff Firefox had good standards support and the best tools - so get it right in firefox first then adapt to cope with everything else, now its a lot less clear as IE8 has a very decent set of dev tools (and is better behaved than its predecessors) and Chrome is now getting into the act - again with a good set of tools and extensions.
My gut feeling is probably Firefox, Chrome, IE8 in that order - but I'm not doing anywhere near enough CSS work to assert that that's right.
You develop in Firefox (you have firebug to adjust things), you test in safari/chrome & opera (all of them is ok with standards so you have low chances to have bugs in those) and you debug in IE. Because is impossible to have a fully functional in ALL browser from one try :D
I use my main browser (Chrome) for basic progress, and frequently check all other browsers for bugs and layout problems.
I think If we choose firefox and IE 6.0 both for website design, the site will be look almost same for all browsers, because rest of IE 6 & 7 all browsers' HTML rendering pattern is almost same. So If we make css from start considering firefox and IE 6.0, bugs would be in less numbers and In this way we can make all browser compatible website.
Please give me feedback
I do it in ie6, the most primitive browser which is still in use.
I think any thing that will work on ie6 will work on any browser.

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