We are in the process of designing a tool to be used with HDEM(High Definition Electron Microscope).We get stacks of 2D images from HDEM and first step is 'detecting borders' on the sections.After detecting edges of 2D slices ,next step is construct the 3D model using these 2D slices.
This 'border detecting' algorithm(s) is/are implemented by one of professor and he has used and suggests to use C.(to gain high performance and probably will parallelise in future)
We have to develop comprehensive UI ,3D viewer ,2D editor...etc and use this algorithm.
Application should support usual features like project save/open.Undo,Redo...etc
Our technology decisions are:
A) Build entire platform from the
scratch using QT.
B) Use Eclipse Platform
Our concerns are,
if we choose A) we can easily integrate the 'border detecting' algorithm(s) because the development environment is C/C++ But we have to implement the basic features from the scratch.
If we choose B) we get basic features from the Eclipse platform , but integrating C libraries going to be a tedious task.
Any suggestions on this?
I'd go for Qt any time:-)
If you need a IDE framework to build your project on you might want to consider Qt together with Qt creator. The latter is a really nice IDE to develop with and can be extended with custom plugins, pretty much like eclipse.
If you need performance and a well-controlled process I'd suggest going the Qt way.
Qt has a well documented class library that should make implementation of basic features fairly easy and intuitive. It also has OpenGL support for 3D and good 2D editing capabilities.
I've recently built a monitoring application with a custom UI and it was fairly easy once you get past the basic concepts behind the framework.
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I need to integrate an extensible map widget with my application running on a sized-down Linux ARM platform with around 1GB RAM, potentially no storage, potentially low bandwidth and connectivity. These limits are quite important. My application is developed using C++ and Qt5 with qml interfaces.
I've been looking at KDE Marble, Cesium and QGIS.
I don't think that QGIS is exactly my match, because I don't need to extensively edit geospatial data - rather, I need to display it in a nice widget. Plus QGIS is a GPL tool, which is, in my case, very restricting.
The map widget would be used, aside from normal virtual globe uses, to display custom layer data provided by some geolocalized sensors. I need to be able to create, display and edit paths (with waypoints) on the map view, it also needs to be touchscreen enabled.
Could you share your experience with developing Marble or Cesium or QGIS? Can you make a comparision of their pros/cons in relation to my needs?
I know it's a difficult question but any input is welcome. Thank you!
I recommend to use QGIS. It has the following modules:
QGIS core library: basic GIS functionality
QGIS gui library: adds reusable GUI widgets
QGIS analysis library: high level tools for spatial analysis on vector and raster data
MapComposer
QGIS network analysis library: high level tool for build topology and analysis
You can compile the core and gui modules as you don't need advanced and complex features.
I recommend it because:
It is highly modular and you can compile the modules which are necessary for
your needs.
QGIS also has many useful plugins which provides you whatever you
like.
QGIS has also a Globe plugin which shows maps on a 3D globe. It is
not so mature but has good features.
QGIS supports Android and is well suited for mobile and touch
devices.
It has also a fast developing community.
New versions of QGIS support Qt 5.x
It has a good documentation
Adding new features and custom tools in so easy thanks to QgsMapTool
I have recently regained some interest in learning Qt, but have the following doubt:
Does Qt have enough classes that are not GUI-related?
For example, Python is "batteries-included", .NET is definitely "batteries-included", and as far as I have seen, Android API also has a lot of classes to design and implement application/domain logic, not directly related to visual presentation.
The main reason I am asking is because I don't know C++ and don't plan to learn it deeply (too much time needed), so if I had to take third party C++ libraries all the time and struggle to use them inside Qt projects that would be a strong point against going ahead.
The intended use is mostly to create small desktop apps for personal use while gaining insight on software design good practices - a profession I am slowly migrating to.
I have already used some Python/Pygtk (without IDE) and WPF (in VStudio/ExpressionBlend). In both platforms, most of my work is related to scientific computations, image processing and interactive scientific visualization, and there are good libraries for that either in Python (Numpy, Scipy, Matplotlib, Pandas, PIL, cairo) and .NET(AForge, alglib, System.Media.Media3D). I wonder if the Qt ecosystem is so complete in that regard.
Qt isn't a language in itself, so you can't compare it to Python or .NET. With that being said, Qt does provide general-purpose classes like containers, a Unicode string class, character set encoders/decoders, multimedia, device and file I/O, etc. All these modules are fully documented.
There are also some external modules available for Qt, like Qwt which provides widgets for technical applications.
For other functionality where something Qt-specific isn't available, you can obviously use another appropriate library. Like OpenCV.
Oh, and you can use Qt in Python too, through PyQt.
As far as I know, Qt doesn't have image processing libraries. For that, you'll need to use something like OpenCV. Qt does have libraries for loading most common image types.
However, Qt does extend beyond just GUI classes.
There is a database module that's quite convenient. The concurrency/threading classes are nice. I've enjoyed making use of the Qt Networking classes. The FileIO classes are alright.
These classes/modules are all useful for making platform-independent code. Things like image processing are mostly algorithmic and tend to be platform-independent by nature. So I think they fall out of the scope of the Qt framework. It shouldn't be too difficult, however, to simply find a library that does what you need and link that in to your project.
A lot of the Qt Core services that heltonbiker and Nikos C. mentioned, can be thought of as extensions to C++, a little like std. Although I often prefer the Qt implementations myself. But Qt has gone much further with their libraries, with the I/O, and web services etc...
The QtXML library provides reading and writing of XML files. Traditionally we had always used xerces, but the Qt XML library is almost as simple as .NETs.
The QtNetwork library offers TCP/IP and other networks services
The QtMultimedia library performs playback and recording of audio
and video content to the use of available devices like cameras and
radios.
The QtSQL library interfaces with SQL databases.
And there is much more than that. Although these are probably services that are used to most. The other benefit is that for the most part the implementations are cross platform. So for example using the I/O services does not require you to write separate code for Linux and Windows. That is a general rule, and there are exceptions. But I am sure most people would agree that any of the services they offer are easy to use, and well documented.
Happy coding.
Qt provides ample abstraction besides UI - it comes with a set of functionality enhancing features that come with certain usage paradigms.
Container classes - shallow copy by value, copy on write
Implicit sharing for containers and certain data types
Event driven, signals and slots
A powerful and usable metasystem
Properties
Platform abstraction for a lot of functionality, from file access to network and multithreading
Cross platform atomics (not that important since C++11 atomics)
Settings API
Undo API
OpenGL abstraction (not necessarily UI, custom graphics)
Basic image formats and basic image manipulations
Qt Declarative, a.k.a QtQuick and QML markup (usable for all kind of structure markup BTW)
Dynamic plugin API
Platform abstraction and portability - same code, multiple platforms
High and low level multimedia - audio, video
Sensors and serial port
Unit test
XML, JSON, SQL
An outdated and hopefully soon updated OpenCL abstraction
Last but not least, a lot of 3rd party modules built around Qt fitting a wide range of applications
Honestly, all its missing is support for some more popular formats for file, media encoding/decoding and containers, some parallel and vector abstraction, USB, WIFI/NFC (in the works in an addon module) and it will be 100% versatile.
Note that you can also use Python with Qt, although I have no experience with that, Qt is a very versatile tool that allows for quick and easy application development - and since 5.1 supports pretty much the entire market, with the addition of Android and iOS to the list of supported platforms. It is very useful for creating custom use applications for creative or research purposes.
Although not perfect for every task, Qt is easily the "best of the bunch" of tools you can use in this regard. Unbeatable in terms of portability and very thorough, if not a little bloated for the set of functionality it provides. And finally, it is free, you can even develop commercial applications under LGPL as long as you link dynamically. All in all, it is well worth the investment to learn, the only downside is it lacks uniformity between the old C++ native APIs and the QML runtime, which is actively worked on and is based on JS, so the APIs are a bit different and some glue APIs are required to fuse C++ with JS and QML.
(just for the record, from the official site):
The Foundation: Qt Core Module
The Qt Core module forms the foundation of all Qt-based applications
with core non-graphical classes used by other modules.
Key Functions
File IO, event and object handling
Multi-threading and concurrency
Plugins, setting management
Signals and Slots inter-object communications mechanism
Benefits
Reduce development time and cost by leveraging a complete set of application building blocks
Develop portable code from the ground up with cross-platform functionality
I am going to develop a new GUI for an existing C++ application. The application works on Windows and Linux, and the communication with GUI is through client/server.
What are the pros and cons between Eclipse RCP and Qt?
Some pros of Qt:
C++ stuff will generally perform better; however, this is arguable.
Qt is the base of Meego, the mobile platform sponsored by Intel, AMD and others; however, its current momentum seems not too high to me. This means you can also create applications for various mobile and generally embedded devices
There are a lot of Qt-based applications out there.
It has a WYSIWYG designer.
Good for small to large projects especially because of QtQuick, which allows the creation of small applications in no time and with almost zero knowledge about C++
Qt has an amazing wrapper in Python called PyQt (there is also the PySide of course), which allows rapid development and slick prototyping. People often use PyQt (or PySide) for the UI-side of a Qt application because of that. You can of course combine with ease Python and Qt in the same application taking advantage of all their strengths (but also weaknesses). This allows relatively fast and smooth development cycles even for large projects
Some cons of Qt:
The code of Qt-based applications make use of some elements that are not part of C++, which have to be converted into C++ by a special preprocessor called moc (Meta-Object Compiler) prior to the actual compilation. You and your build system have to take that into account.
Nokia (former owner of Qt, since it acquired Trollech) has sold it to Digia. However, this does not imply their involvement in the development of the open source Qt has changed.
Some pros of Eclipse RCP:
Eclipse RCP is far more than a graphical toolkit:
It sports a plugin-based architecture that can help distributing functionality among different components (plugins) and keeping control over dependencies among such components (plugins). Eclipse plugin system relies on their own implementation of the Java component system specification called OSGi.
It provides a mechanism to enable decoupled application extensibility called extension points.
There are many Eclipse plugins that you can use in your application and many of them have distribution licenses that are friendly to commercial products.
It has a WYSIWYG designer.
Some cons of Eclipse RCP:
Eclipse uses a custom windowing toolkit called SWT; on each platform it relies on the native graphical layer. On Linux, it relies on Gtk+ (although it's also possible to use Motif), which in my experience (and other's) has performance problems, mostly with widgets that are updated at high rates. Actually many of us embed Swing elements in Eclipse RCP applications to overcome performance problems while keeping Eclipse's extensible architecture; this, however, can bring integration problems. There's a version of SWT that uses Qt as backend, but its incorporation into Eclipse's codebase seems stagnated since October 2010.
Startup time (understood as the time elapsed since the application is launched until it shows up a window) of Eclipse RCP applications can be very long.
If you intend to integrate C++ stuff with Java by means of JNI, be aware that some people find it difficult.
Eclipse has lots and lots of bugs. Eclipse's bugzilla is a very useful resource for the RCP developer.
The more you want you Eclipse RCP application's look&feel and behaviour to differ from Eclipse IDE, the more troubles you will get into.
Eclipse RCP development has a big learning curve, in my opinion.
Using Eclipse RCP for small projects is basically a suicide (unless you are restricting yourself to only creating a plugin or similar). It is meant for medium to large and very large projects due to the complexity of its infrastructure, resource requirements and the above mentioned steep learning curve.
Eclipse RCP is not for mobile development because...it's RCP (Rich Client Platform). If you want to go mobile, this is not for you.
Both their distribution licenses (LGPL/GPL/commercial for Qt, EPL for Eclipse) are flexible enough for most uses, in my opinion. Nevertheless, I am not a lawyer, so I may be mistaken about that.
And of course, other factors like the experience of the developers, their technical skills, the size of the team, concrete requirements, etc, should be taken into account.
BTW, I have much experience in Eclipse RCP but only theoretical knowledge on Qt, so I may be biased/mistaken in my statements.
Now that Qt has an LGPL license I would choose Qt any day of the week over Eclipse RCP.
I have used both to create fairly complex applications.
Since you can use eclipse to develop c++, I am assuming that we are comparing mostly swt/jface vs Qt, and not the eclipse development environment itself.
Some things I have noticed having used both:
1) Qt has better documentation and samples
Other than some half-baked examples on the web, I could find little useful eclipse documentation.
2) Qt has a lot more 'professional' users
There are many professional companies out there using Qt as their UI framework. Given it's three platform support (Windows, Linux, Mac), it is very flexible, and has a lot of backing.
3) Qt tends to be more complete and mature -
Using Eclipse I noticed that quite often the controls, and packages that were available were only partially done, and not quite complete. They were typically developed for someone's use, and only coded as far as that. Qt's controls were almost always a complete design.
4) Styling.
Both Qt and Eclipse render using local platform libraries, so your UI will 'look' like other UIs on the platform you are running on (i.e. Linux vs Windows). However, Qt also provides fairly sophisticated styling functionality that allows you to easily alter the look of any control, and gives you much more control over the look of your application.
With the new declarative language (Qt 4.7.*) you are approaching WPF level of control which is really amazing.
5) UI Designer:
Qt has a much richer Designer that allows you to layout your form, and do basic testing without having to compile any code. The designer also gives you the capability to add interactions between the controls on your form. Ex. Click this button - disable this option
Eclipse also has a form designer, although my experience with it is limited. I did try to use it a couple of times with very limited success. Finally I coded every form by hand through code. That is painful.
6) Interfacing with existing source code
If you don't have this problem, then you are very lucky. Because Qt is c++ based it integrates seamlessly with legacy C and C++ code. Integrating Java and C is not easy.
7) Drawing Libraries
I tried coding some hand-drawn shapes using the swt libraries and was forced to bypass large parts of the swt drawing library, because of the cludge that was in there. Using Qt to do something similar was no trouble at all.
8) Tree and List Models
Eclipse does provide some nice out of the box functionality for propagated data into trees, and lists and things. It is almost as good in Qt, although a little trickier to set up.
9) Application Layout
Eclipse provides some nice functionality to manage 'view's (dock panels), and 'perspectives' (workflows) that if you decide to use them makes life nice and easy. Qt requires you to do this yourself. Qt does have dock panel functionality, but when building a rich application you have to set this up yourself.
Extra Note:
Qt has also provided some extra libraries to support things like xml, etc... So this helps bridge the gap a little between c++ and java for things like this.
We are trying to develop a real-time display system in safety critical domain. (All this is at very basic stage.) One option I have is to write my own Widgets using OpenGL. Other two options is to use something like GTK or QT.
QT seems easy to use and has good development tools. But I have worked on several applications in real-time domain using GTK but none in QT.
Can anyone point out to me the trade-offs involved here ?
I am settling with direct OpenGL programming for now.
I will make a desktop application. I searched on web which one is better. Can someone say positive and negative sides of these components.
I can add some information about QT:
QT is a well designed, portable library that covers nearly everything you'll need for a desktop application. QT covers GUI, networking, SQL, Graphics and more.
Pros:
very extensive library
high performance
portable
Cons:
It's C++
special preprocessor / make tool needed.
Setting up a QT compile environment is a little bit more difficult than setting up a C++ compile environment. C++ is - especially if you are not used to it - very difficult and the learning curve is steep. QT helps alot with appropriate helper classes (QPointer, ...) and library magic (QObjects freeing children, ...) in the background. There are bindings to other languages as well. Just to mention a few - Jambi is a binding for Java and there's a binding for python as well.
For your decision consider the following things
which programming language do you know best
which libray reduces your amout of work for this application the most
how much performance do you REALLY need. C++ code can be very fast, but there's no reason to work with manual memory management and pointers if you don't need the performance.
which library offers you the look and feel you want to have for your desktop application
If you need portability: Do you want to "compile once run everywhere" (Java) or do you want to "run your app everywhere once you compiled it for this plattform" (QT)
Here's the link to QT-Jambi Wiki: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-jambi/pages/Home. According to Nokia: "Qt Jambi is the Qt GUI toolkit for Java developers"
Qt is the best cross platform GUI framework at the moment. It renders the widgets with a native look on each platform and it has a very easy to use API.
Using Qt doesn't mean that you have to use C++. You can program Qt in Java (Qt Jambi) or Python (PyQt) for instance.