I want to use ASP.Net on Linux because of license problems and costs. Can you compare its performance?
We coded a few asp.net applications and work well on windows server, can we migrate to linux + apache + mono without any changing? Framework version is 2.0.
You might be interested in this question:
Performance of ASP.NET in Mono(Linux) vs IIS(Window)
And here's the FAQ from mono on ASP.NET:
http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_ASP.NET
Last time I checked the port is not fully complete. Depending on how familiar you are with the language you may find that something is missing. Then you will deal with performance!
Well to run .Net on Linux you'll need Mono.
I don't really know about it's performance as I am not a big fan of .Net.
Also please reformat your question into something more formal.
'Coz' doesn't really make you look good.
You can take a look into this doc:
http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_ASP.NET
so you can check if all the stuff that you use in your app is implemented or not.
You can speed up things if you use mod_mono+apache.
I think you would need to give us more details. ASP.NET does not natively run on Linux. The only thing that I know of that can do this is Grasshopper. Given these details, and true answer could probably be provided
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I am going to develop my first application (4 members team).I am not aware of source control tool ( Visual
source safe,Tortoise SVN).
My .NET version is 3.5. What is the best source control tool ?
Is CruiseControl a source control tool ?
Definitely avoid Visual Source Safe.
Subversion is probably a safe choice, but you will have to elaborate about your situation (E.g. how big is your team?) to get more specific advice.
Another no vote for Visual Source Safe here.
Might be an idea to get familiar with subversion as - just as others mentioned - it's widely adopted, so might be useful in the future and simply works..oh and it's free too!
TortoiseSVN integrates into the windows explorer and is both easy to use and well documented so I would give it a try.
If it's a small project of yours and you don't want to worry about hosting, I would recommend signing up for a free account at something like beanstalk, to keep it safe, without any hassle.
But if it's your first ever project, it might just give you too many additional things to learn about, so you might want to put it aside for a while.
Try GIT, it's much lighter weight than svn
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gitextensions/
you can use a local repository for just checking in your own work (to keep a history, or to keep a working version before changing everything) Or you can connect to a central repository for enterprise source control.
The company where I work used to use the SVN, Tortoise, Ankh stack but we're using Git now. Plus I use it at home on my on play projects.
(quated part is no more important since you edited your post about team size)
If you are doing some small project on
your own, maybe you shouldn't use code
versioning at all because you probably
don't need it. Code versioning helps
you with central code storage,
multi-person development code merging
(several people working on the same
file and then commit changes) and code
branching to name the most important
ones.
If I were you, and I would be the only
person developing something simple, I
wouldn't use it, because it would also
be a bit of a time-overkill.
But otherwise source control doesn't address technology like .Net framework version. Code control only stores files (with history) and is able to merge text files. Written in whatever language possible.
If you are part of a team I'd suggest using Subversion + TortoiseSVN + AnkhSVN
And No, CruiseControl is not a code versioning system. It's a continuous integration system.
If you have a pure Windows environment then VisualSVN server is a Windows version of SVN server and installs easily and cleanly. You can setup security using Windows usernames and passwords, or SVN usernames and passwords.
You can then use Tortoise to provide integration in Explorer and VisualSVN to provide Visual Studio integration (there's a small cost for VisualSVN) or you could try AnkhSVN if all you want is VS integration and don't want to spend any money. Personally I prefer VisualSVN's integration.
Running a GIT server under Windows is, umm, frankly a pain in the ass, and not a route I'd recommend for beginners. VS integration is also fraught with pain.
As with everyone else I'd say avoid SourceSafe like the plague.
CruiseControl is not a source control system, it's an automated build server. It monitors source control servers looking for changes, then checks everything out, compiles it and runs it through your unit tests, so people know if they've broken the build. Once you have source control up and running it's the next big step towards a better build environment.
Before we start talking about source control, I would like you to consider your actual need for it, if this is to be your first .NET application. Is this your actual first attempt of writing some .NET 3.5 code? If so, I doubt that you need to worry about source control just yet. I would say it's not just a little bit overkill for the first learning projects.
On the other hand, if this is to be your first application that you'll actually sell to someone, it's a completely different matter.
I currently use VisualSVN, an add-in to Visual Studio that lets you do check-in, check-out etc from within the environment. Along with it, I use the free SVN repository service at XP-Dev. It works well for me =)
Your choice of a versioning system does not have to do anything with the .NET version you are using.
I'd vote for Subversion / Tortoise SVN. It's rock-solid, has lots of handy features, widely adopted and free.
I work in Visual Studio working on sites mostly myself and occasionally I start on new features for a site and bam a bug pops up on the live site and now I am in the middle of changes and can't post a fix to the bug until everything I started to change is complete.
So I am looking for a nice an simple way to work with this type of situation - any suggestions?
Are you asking for a recommendation of a source control system? SourceGear Vault is free for single users.
I am big fan of subversion. There also plugins for VS to work with subversion repository.
http://subversion.tigris.org/
http://ankhsvn.open.collab.net/
I am in a similar situation and I use Perforce. It is free for up to two users and integrates well with Visual Studio.
Subversion is well supported and has tools for most any environment. It's also mostly straightforward to use, so you should be able to get up and running quickly.
If you need to work on a lot of separate features and bugs at the same time, you might try Mercurial instead. The tooling support is a lot less mature but I find the distributed design to do a better job of merging and facilitating work on separate issues concurrently.
But really, if you aren't using anything currently and aren't sure what your needs are, just choose one that has support in the IDE/tools you use. It will probably be Subversion.
Is it possible? If so, please explain how to do it.
I think you are looking for mono.
You can run most ASP.Net applications on Linux using Mono:
http://www.mono-project.com/ASP.NET
Mono is an open source implementation of (most of) .Net
As other posters have noted, you can use Mono and Apache with mod_mono. I have no idea whether it's robust and feature-rich enough for your needs. (Mono's current implementation of WCF is only skeletal, for example.) So whether it's advisable depends on what you plan on doing. If other people's money is riding on your applications being robust, it's safest to just plonk some money down on a windows server and going full Microsoft.
Update: in the comments, you suggest that price is a concern. In the long run, what you pay for hosting is tiny compared to the costs involved in using inferior software. I'd recommend either using Windows hosting, or using a different development environment altogether if you have a choice. LAMP, Java, Ruby on Rails--each of these are perfectly fine choices, and I'm sure there are many others. But if you are constrained to using .NET for some reason, Microsoft is really the only choice right now for enterprise-quality ASP.NET.
I wouldn't try using Mono. You could use VMware or something but I would try go a different route. You can run a very basic ASP.NET site on Mono; but I mean very basic. If your site is non-trivial, I wouldn't recommend this approach.
It's possible to run ASP.NET on Linux. You should take a look at the Mono project, Mono has an implementation of ASP.NET and ASP.NET AJAX.
You need to use mono and XPS (which is the server that runs the ASP.NET framework on mono). There is a standalone version of XPS and one that works through Apache. That is the best way to serve the files on Linux.
It may be possible with the use of WINE (or something similar, Mono, thats it.) but you will require all the .NET framework so it may be a bit much to setup
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I have been developing in asp.net since its existence (also classic asp before that) and also I have been using SQL server as my back-end database.
After serious consideration, I now want to change the language I use. Considering the OOP capabilities of the .NET platform, what other languages do you suggest that I start learning instead of ASP.NET and why?
Also what should I use as a database? I have no experience in databases other than the SQL Server.
Django would get my vote.
Like you, I'd been using ASPNET since its creation and then a job forced me to use PHP. Then another. And another. I got to the point where 90% of my time was spent doing PHP and I didn't want to split my time between two completely different work-flows so I just went with it.
PHP, as you may or may not be aware, is a complete scrotum of a language when compared against the relative beauty of languages like C# or even VB.NET. And it's not getting better any way soon. Development frameworks mean you have to upload half-a-million files for each project and it all just feels unneccessary.
So about two months ago I started to look into alternatives. I use Linux now so I bump into Python quite a lot of the time. It looks pretty enough. It's always pretty well formatted (by design) and it has fairly excellent OOP techniques and opportunities.
Then I learnt about the Django ORM so I thought I'd make a quick site with some basic interactive features. I made a secret santa website for my girlfriend's family. Multiple forms, authentication, listing and detail pages and a splash of AJAX. Took me (a complete uber-novice) two days to get functional and the rest of the week to beautify (I'm a slow designer).
Other benefits include its superb built-in caching, a community that really knows how to program stuff, pre-made, reusable apps that you can just plug into your site and go, and python's easy_install and pip that make getting modules so simple. Oh and unlike ASPNET, it'll run on any OS which can make for considerable savings for personal projects.
I've since ported the rest of my PHP sites (and those that I have to maintain) to it and I'm about to start porting over my ASPNET projects. I'm happy.
Databases are pretty much a non-issue in Django. You pick one that's right for the size of your project, plug it in and the ORM handles all the DBIO.
I use SQLite for small-to-medium projects and a MySQL cluster for large projects.
I would use PostgresSQL for your database. It is by far the most feature complete of the open source databases. Though MySQL seems to be regarded as the best for speed. If cost is no object then oracle is obviously a big player.
In terms of language Java is going to be your best bet for similarity to the .Net languages. It is strictly typed and OO like C#. And is widely used in large enterprises, much like .NET.
Of course if you are changing just for the sake of change then maybe its better to switch to something more different. Ruby and Python are the big dynamic languages these days and will offer a different perspective.
Ruby on Rails seems to be very nice choice. Only it is a bit too different and bit too weird. But seems to be most effective, too. RoR is database agnostic, so the choice of database is not about syntax. You don't need to think about which database you use when writing application. You just use RoRs methods to access database and it will automatically wire it to the DB engine.
Or go with PHP and MySQL, it is proven and widely spread. I myself was using MS SQL Server first and switched to MySQL without problems. PHP is a bit dirty language, but it is comfortable to use and well supported and documented, too. If you decide to go this way, try ZEND framework, it solves lots of things and makes writing web applications much easier.
Use Mono, it runs on Linux, Mac and Windows. It runs my ASP.NET program faster in Ubuntu than when it is running on my development machine(Windows XP's IIS, though I haven't yet compared the speed when running on Windows server)
Languages supported on Mono: C#, Java, Boo, Nemerle, VB.NET, PythonNet, IronPython, Oberon, PHP, Object Pascal, Cobra, Component Pascal, Delta Forth, DotLisp, #Smalltalk
For database, use PostgreSQL, it is dubbed as the Oracle of the opensource database. It has many features suitable for enterprise-type system.
http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
Why not take a look at ASP.Net MVC, you will capitalize on much of what you already know and is quite a bit different in its approach to websites. Just switching without a compelling reason or target in mind is probably not that useful, however it doesn't hurt to learn another language.
This site is built on ASP.Net MVC and Linq to SQL.
What is the reason for you leaving the .net scene?
A change of language may not fix the root cause.
I switched from LAMP to .net myself due to my job and then gradually in my hobby time to allow me to focus 100% on 1 language.
I switched from LAMP to .net myself due to my job and then gradually in my hobby time to allow me to focus 100% on 1 language.
You probably learned a few things from LAMP that you could apply to .NET. That's the best reason to explore other languages and frameworks.
Dynamic scripting languages can save considerable development time: no compilation, weak typing, and flexibility.
Personally, I love the flexibility of php. There are no abstract, inflexible, complex web controls to learn. I have complete control of my widgets because I can change the underlying code.
I didn't know php is still like a scrabbled scripting language... I don't want to go back to the old times...
No I need the shift to be as smooth as possible. From what I read, it seems ruby is going to be the choise... although Django seems interesting.
To be perfectly honest, the more I discover and experience in JavaScript / jQuery and DOM the less I use asp.net controls and related garbage on my pages. I have reached to a point where I know use ASP.NET for my project's back-end (objects and data classes to send and retrieve data) and standard HTML forms and controls on the front side, using jQuery for DOM manipulation and communication (thorugh ajax) with the server.
Having come to this point in my development career, I thought it would be a good idea to learn a new language that is faster than asp.net, that is not dependent on windows, and that is easier to learn.
I can then buy a macbook and relax :)
SQL Server Express has worked fine for me. I've used a lot of different databases with c#, but only mysql and binary files in production.
ASP.NET isn't a language. It's a framework upon which you can build web sites and web applications.
the reason is not job-centric.
Recently I realised I had enough of
bits-of-pieces that keeps me stuck
with microsoft. e.g. I want to buy a
MacBook but I can't since I need IIS
and VS etc.. (I know I can use windows
on a mac but what's the point)
Are you tired of Microsoft in general or ASP.NET specifically? Or is there a Cult you want to join that requires MacBook ownership? Or are you interested in LAMP or Java development? Do you still want to do web applications or are you more interested in desktop or mobile applications?
As far as databases are concerned, the most obvious alternative would be MySQL. Other options would be PostgreSQL or SQL Lite
I am creating a project called MPDA. It is a simple Dll and application that creates files that act as databases. It is aimed at .NET developers that want to use a database that does NOT impact on system performance on the system it is hosted on. Has no webside dependencies. If you have FTP access you can host it. No install required client or webside. Works on ANY platform with a file hosting ability. On drawback is it is accessible from .NET only.
I'm trying to do an informal feasibility study for work on if Mono/Apache/Linux is realistically 'ready' and in any way comparable to a more traditional .NET/IIS/Windows stack.
Any comparison of performance would be helpful too.
Take a look at companies using Mono.
It even says that Wikipedia uses Mono for its search facilities.
http://Fiducial.Biz, a financial company in France is running on Mono with ASP.NET
We're running a website/bunch of webservices on Mono/Apache/FreeBSD platform for one of our customers. The setup works great.
One thing to remember is 2.0 of Mono is out soon (I think this week) and it is even better now. So if you do any testing make sure you at least use the 2.0 RC
I am running a couple sites off ASP.NET over Mono. I am targeting 2.0 of the framework.
I haven't had Digg numbers, but I have also never had an issue.