I want to create a website that the login system shouldn't be handled by cookies, but on (a) table(s) in the local (on the server) SQL DB.
Is there a way to do it?
Even no partial way?
What and where should I save instead of the cookie???
ASP.NET uses Session cookies by default to track user requests. If you use Cookieless sessions, you will find the Session ID being appended in all requests from the browser. In many scenarios, this could also be unacceptable.
Even if you decide to hit the database and check for a "LoggedIn" flag upon each request, you still need some way to identify the incoming request as belonging to a particular user. This could be in the form of encrypted values in hidden fields, depending on your security scenario. That said, it's not a much better method than the use of cookies, because any data that comes from the client has the potential to have been tampered with.
Personally, I think Cookies are great to track user requests as long as you encrypt them properly.
You still need some way of telling the users apart. If you don't use cookies, then you will have to transfer that information in url or allow only one user from a single ip address (this is really stupid) ... or something else. Cookies are not that bad :-).
Cookieless ASP.NET
If you need help actually implementing the login system you'll need to include more details about your specific problem.
You can store your usernames and so in a database, but you will still need a way to recognize the user as he/she navigates from page to page. That is the cookies role in this, to persist this login token...
It is possible to implement some other ways of handling this token. One can use the URL or somme hidden fields (as ASP.NET's ViewState) to store this token.
So, yes; it can be done. But it takes some work, since you can't use what ASP.NET already provides you. (ASP.NET has builtin-features to handle this token as a cookie, and also store the credentials in the database.)
Use the SqlMembershipProvider.
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We have extended a legacy app, however the existing login and user management mechanism doesnt seem to work with the new module.
Our module keeps causing the user to be logged out, when they navigate back to the existing application.
We've removed all pages which might force the session to be expired.
We have no code related to user sessions and logins
We have no code that logs out the user.
Could use Database or Memcache perhaps but both are going to be messy if you can't use SessionID or similar as a key I suppose.
You are not telling by wich mechanism the server should know which user is logged on ? What are you currently using: javascript, asp pages ?
If you should be using cookies, please make sure that the domain name you use in your cookie writing and cookie writing code (especially when you are mixing javascript and asp code) is written the same (so case sensitive). If not your code might be reading another value than the one written.
I know I have been searching for a problem a long time before I found out that I wrote the cookie to domain Edelcom.be and was reading if from edelcom.be.
You should be able to use Cookies as this doesn't depend on sessions staying alive. Cookies can persist as long as you want them to - you just need to set the "expires" value.
It sounds like you are actually wanting to get rid of session variables for logins but this should not mean you have to also ditch cookies.
Does using cookies pose a threat to application security in asp.net ? Or do we only use as a medium of saving user stats and non-vital information ? Got a little details of using cookies in asp.net from my own blog
IMO cookie is one of the best choice for some situations. For instance, storing the user's selected language. Also you can cache some sensitive information in the cookie as users' roles as ASP.NET Roles manager. But you should encrypt it without doubt and also you should set HttpCookie.HttpOnly = true to prevent javascript from accessing to cookie. Don't worry about supporting cookie in different browsers, size is premier (Browsers support only 4096bytes per cookie). Cookie is bandwidth killer, cause sends and receives within each request and response. Thus, you should use it in avarage. You can check if the client browser supports cookie as follows.
if (Request.Browser.Cookies) { // The browser supports cookie }
To learn more information about cookies, visit here.
Using cookies doesn't pose any threat to an application. It is the way you use them and the information you store that could be problematic. For example, you have to avoid storing sensitive information in cookies. If used for authentication, they should always be transmitted over a secure channel.
It depends on how you use them. Cookies should be treated as un-trusted input at all times, because they can be faked, edited or deleted. I've seen applications where a cookie contains something like admin=true which is obviously a very bad thing to do. If you're just dropping some guid and using that to track someone, but not caring if your results are accurate then that's fine.
If you want to make sure the cookie is semi-valid then you must add something like an HMAC to the cookie itself, which is what ASP.NET does with the forms authentication cookie (and the ViewState field). Of course this doesn't stop the user deleting the cookie, or copying a valid one from another user.
As long as you don't store critical information in the cookie (like the user's password) you should be fine.
Be careful with scenarios like that :
You store the user's ID in a cookie
You test against this ID to see if he's logged in
The user changes the ID manually in the cookie (easy to do)
The user gets access to another account
My point is that you have to keep in mind that the user can access a cookie and change it, so don't store anything you wouldn't want him to see.
Last thing, cookies often have a limited size so be careful: don't store too many information. If you store too much stuff (like a large object), you might end up breaking things.
I'm porting an ASP.NET application to MVC and need to store two items relating to an authenitcated user: a list of roles and a list of visible item IDs, to determine what the user can or cannot see.
We've used WSE with a web service in the past and this made things unbelievably complex and impossible to debug properly. Now we're ditching the web service I was looking foward to drastically simplifying the solution simply to store these things in the session. A colleague suggested using the roles and membership providers but on looking into this I've found a number of problems:
a) It suffers from similar but different problems to WSE in that it has to be used in a very constrained way maing it tricky even to write tests;
b) The only caching option for the RolesProvider is based on cookies which we've rejected on security grounds;
c) It introduces no end of complications and extra unwanted baggage;
All we want to do, in a nutshell, is store two string variables in a user's session or something equivalent in a secure way and refer to them when we need to. What seems to be a ten minute job has so far taken several days of investigation and to compound the problem we have now discovered that session IDs can apparently be faked, see
http://blogs.sans.org/appsecstreetfighter/2009/06/14/session-attacks-and-aspnet-part-1/
I'm left thinking there is no easy way to do this very simple job, but I find that impossible to believe.
Could anyone:
a) provide simple information on how to make ASP.NET MVC sessions secure as I always believed they were?
b) suggest another simple way to store these two string variables for a logged in user's roles etc. without having to replace one complex nightmare with another as described above?
Thank you.
Storing the user's role information in a server-side session is safe providing a session cannot be hijacked. Restating this more broadly, it does not matter where user role info is stored if an authenticated session is hijacked.
I advise not putting too much faith in the article you linked to, but the 2002 vintage report linked to from your link is of interest. Here are my take-aways:
Don't accept session IDs embedded in URLs.
Focus your time on eliminating cross site scripting dangers i.e. scan all user supplied data and parse out executable java script.
Issue cookies for complete domains (e.g. myapp.mydomain.com)
Host your domain at a high class DNS operator e.g. one that only allows DNS changes from a preset remote IP address.
Don't issue persistent session cookies.
Reissue a session cookie if someone arrives at a login page with a sessionID already associated with an authenticated session.
Better still, always issue a new session cookie on successful authentication and abandon the prior session. (Can this be configured in IIS?)
The only way to make a secure cinnection is to use SSL. Anything less than that, and you simply have to make the evaluation when it's "safe enough".
A session variable works fine for storing a value, with the exception that the web server may be recycled now and then, which will cause the session to be lost. When that happens you would have to re-authenticate the user and set the session variable again.
The session variable itself is completely safe in the sense that it never leaves the server unless you specifically copy it to a response.
Have you considered setting up a custom Authorize tag in MVC. I gave an example of this in another question.
On initial authorization (sign-in screen or session start) you could seed a session value with the IP address also. Then in your custom authorization, you could also verify that IP's still match up as well. This will help make sure that someone isn't 'stealing' the person's session. Everytime you access your session data just make sure to pass the requester's IP and have some check on it.
Are you trying to control the access to functions at the client level? That is the only reason I would expose the roles and items to control client side functions.
Alternatively, you could create a function to obtain the items that the roles of the user are allowed to use, and then even if the function is called outside of the items given back to the web application, you can prevent the user from accessing them.
4Guys seems to show how to control functions with the roles.
The approach I have used in the past is to use symmetric encryption of a cookie alongside SSL. Encrypt the user information in the reponse and decrypt it in the request. I'm not claiming this is foolproof or 100% secure and I wouldn't want to do this on a banking application, but it is good enough for many purposes.
The main issue with session variables is that if you store them inProc rather than persisting them, then you need to apply 'sticky' sessions to your load balancing in a web farm environment. Guffa is correct that without this persistence session variables will occasionally be lost causing a poor user experience.
Sticky sessions can lead to uneven load balancing, perhaps reducing the value of being able to scale out.
If you are going to be be persisting the sessions so they can be accessed by all servers in your web farm, you may be better off using a Guid to identify the user, encrypting this in a cookie and retrieving the user record from your data store each time.
My obvious question is that why do you want to store a users role in session ?
Here is my answer to your query, how this helps. I have attached a small demo application for you to take a look at and understand my points. When you open this project in visual studio, click on the project tab on the top and select asp.net configuration. From the page that will show up you can do the user administration stuff.
You need to store the roles of a user in some secure manner ? The answer to this question is that there is no need for you to worry about storing the role for any user, when we have the asp.net membership, profiles and roles framework to help us out on this. All you need to do is create a role in the aspnet database and assign that role to the user.
Next you want to store two string in some secure manner. I suggest you user profile for storing user specific information. This way you have the information available to you where ever you want from the profilecommon class.
Also please see the attached demo application placed at the end of my blog http://blogs.bootcampedu.com/blog/post/Reply-to-httpstackoverflowcomquestions1672007user-roles-why-not-store-in-session.aspx
Just a suggestion, you might consider using this little library:
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/aspnet/Univar.aspx
It has a server side implementation of the cookie whereby all cookies can be stored on the server while asp.net authentification is used to identify the user. It supports encryption and is also very flexible making it very easy to switch from one storage type to another.
What's the best way to authenticate and track user authentication state from page to page? Some say session state, some say cookies?
Could I just use a session variable that has the ID of the user and upon authentication, instatiate a custom User class that has the User's information. Then, on every page, verify the session variable is still active and access basic user data from the User object?
Any thoughts? Any good examples?
The problem with favoring sessions over cookies for 'security' is that sessions USE cookies to identify the user, so any issue with cookies is present with sessions.
One thing to keep in mind with the use of Sessions is data locality. If you plan to scale to more than one webserver at any point, you need to be very careful storing large amounts of data in the session objects.
Since you are using .NET, you will basically have to write your own session store provider to handle this, as InProc won't scale past 1 server, the DB provider is just a bad idea entirely (The whole point is to AVOID DB reads here while scaling, not add more), and the StateServer has a lot of capacity issues. (In the past, I have used a memcached session store provider with some success to combat this issue).
I would google for signed cookies and look into using that instead of either regular cookies or sessions. It solves a lot of the security concerns, and removes the locality issues with sessions. Keep in mind they come back and forth on every request, so store data sparingly.
There's no perfect way to do it. If you store it in a cookie you'll take flak that cookies can be stolen. If you store it in the session you'll take flak because sessions can be hijacked.
Personally, I tend to think a session is a little more reliable because the only thing stored on the client is a session key. The actual data remains on the server. It plays the cards a little closer to the chest, if you will. However, that's just my preference, and a good hacker would be able to get past shoddy security regardless.
No matter what you do, don't try to implement this yourself. You'll get it wrong. Use the authentication system provided by your specific platform. You also need to make sure you have adequate security precautions protecting the authentication token.
I dont know if its THE BEST way to do it, but we are comfortable with the way we do it.
we have a custom user object that we instantiate when the user authenticates, we then use Session to maintain this object across the application.
In some application we combine it with the use of cookies to extend the session continuously.
Cookies and Sessions by themselves are not truly sufficient. They are tools to use to track the user and what they do, but you really need to think about using a database to persist information about the user that can also be used to secure the application.
Sessions are Cookies...
I have two web applications and sometimes I need user to jump from one application to another. Since they are two web applications and may reside on different domains/machines, I can not share session between them.
The technical challenge for me is how to pass session information (I only need to pass userID string information in the session) from one source application to another destination application -- so that the user feels Single Sign On and personal information is displayed for him/her in both application (as the userID is passed to the destination application, no re-login is needed).
My current solution is generate all URL strings in both application and append them with user ID after user logins successfully, like http://www.anotherapplication.com/somepage?userID=someuserID, the userID value is retrieved from session. But I think my solution is stupid and I want to find some way to automatically append the query string ?userID=someuserID when the user jumps to another URL in another application -- so that I just need to generate the common unified URL http://www.anotherapplication.com/somepage in both application.
Is there a solution to automatically append the userID query string?
thanks in advance,
George
Rather than doing it via the Querystring, it might be more maintainable in the long run if you use create a FormsAuthenticationTicket with the required values.
I especially recommend reading Michael Morozov's excellent article on the subject of SSO (Single sign ons).
I do not think it is a good idea to have the user id in query string.
A better idea would be to implement a single-sign on solution. In your scenario, you could do the following:
Whenever one of your applications receive an unauthenticated request, redirect the user back to the other application to a special single-sign-on url.
This page checks whether the user is logged in, and if so, redirects back with an authentication token in querystring.
This token is checked by the un-authenticated application; and if it passes, you can login the user.
Of course, this seems like "a lot" of redirecting, but it should be reliable, and it only happens once, and then your user will be authenticated on both applications.
Obviously you would need to implement a security scheme so that you can check that the authentication token you get passed is really valid and originating from your other application. You could do this with a challenge-response algorithm; which could be:
Both applications should know a common key.
First application sends some random data (the "challenge") to the second application.
The second application includes a hash-value of the random data + it's answer + the secret key in its response.
Now the first application can check that the second application knew the secret key by calculating the same hash-value.
Have a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge-response_authentication
EDIT:
With regards to session state, see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178581.aspx for an overview. It is possible to share session state between the applications, but I would not recommend it in general. If your application resides on different domains (URLs) you would have to use cookieless session state; which is not safe. If you decide to go this way, you would either have to use State server or SQL Server for session persistence, depending on your setup.
You can persist the session using something else than InProc (which is short for in process). If you persist the session using a SQL Server backend you'll be able to retrive the session cross domain/machine if they are setup to use the same SQL Server backend for session storage. This is configurable in ASP.NET and support out-of-the-box. I suggest you look it up.